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Offline Bootlegger

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..O S LA 40's...
« on: June 19, 2012, 08:06:16 AM »

   Guy's I picked up a N I B L A 40 that has all three ports instead of just two.
 What kind, if any, run difference will there be between these engines?
   Again, thanks
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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 09:23:09 AM »
I have several LA .40's and they are all the same.  Now I may have to tear one down to see if they are two port or three port.   H^^
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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 10:29:10 AM »
Just use a flashlight. The third port is directly across from the exhaust.

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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 02:56:06 PM »
The three port engines are a little more powerful and a lot more "finicky" to get a "stunt run from.  They can run OK but in my opinion need to use a slightly smaller venturi (about .250 with the OS needle or .260 with a ST needle).   Smallish flatter pitch props help also to allow higher RPM "Wet Two" type runs that seem to be a little more consistent.

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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2012, 07:16:22 PM »
Guy's ,  i am totally confused by this post. All 3 of my La 40's run great stunt runs. I have never looked to see how many ports they have, i didn't know there was a difference. As long as they run as good as they do i will not look at the ports or doubt them!!! I have bought them at an r/c swap meet new for $10 bucks. IMHO the la 40 is a great low cost stunt engine.
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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2012, 11:25:01 PM »
Guy's ,  i am totally confused by this post. All 3 of my La 40's run great stunt runs. I have never looked to see how many ports they have, i didn't know there was a difference. As long as they run as good as they do i will not look at the ports or doubt them!!! I have bought them at an r/c swap meet new for $10 bucks. IMHO the la 40 is a great low cost stunt engine.

It's been my experience that the three port versions were only the earliest versions and all R/C types with Carbs.
As mentioned above it's very easy to look into the exhaust port and see the third port.   If it's there it's directly across from the exhaust port.
However if the engine runs to your liking I wouldn't worry about it.
If the engine is a CL version I seriously doubt that it's a three port...I've never seen one that started life as a CL (S) engine!

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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2012, 07:57:40 AM »
A year or so after these engines came out, a guy in England took a 3 port and a 2 port version and tried swapping parts around.  His results showed no difference between the two in either peak rpm or 4/2 running.

The third port was introduced for better breathing at high rpms.  It doesn't do much at the lower rpms stunt motors tend to use.
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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2012, 09:11:39 AM »
Barely off topic: I'm setting one up to put in a Brodak Mustang to give to a friend who is trying to advance from beginner to intermediate. Planning on using an APC 10.5x4.5 prop. That sound about right?  Thanks. 8)
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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2012, 10:07:22 AM »
         Pete, I use that combination of prop and engine in my arf Oriental. I've heard how the .40 doesn't run well for stunt. My engine runs terrific with good power and no run aways. Ditch the remote needle, the stock muffler and put a Randy Smith tongue muffler on it. Using the muffler pressure hooked to the uniflow vent  has resulted in a extremely well running combo. I use Powermaster 5% nitro 11/22 lube and it couldn't be happier. This engine is the 2 port variety. I did however purchase a 3 ported version and never used it yet. Ken

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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2012, 12:33:16 PM »
Thanks, that's just the direction I was going. I think this is a 2 port so I may be in luck. 8)
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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2012, 03:33:57 PM »
I have not had much luck with the LA 40, no where near as stunt friendly as the LA 46. I am not the only person over the pond that thinks that either. The LA 40 can be tweaked to get a reasonable run, but it isn't as surefire as the LA 46, which you really have to work hard to screw up.
  Seriously, I wouldn't mind hearing from someone that has a good set up for an LA 40 just in case I can help someone out. However the LA 46 is the same external dimensions as the 40 and it is lighter and more powerful to boot. Using the 46 is a no brainer for me.

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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2012, 04:12:36 PM »
           Like I stated above, I took mine out of the box and bolted it on using the APC 10.5 x 4.5. I love it. I think the Randy Smith tongue muffler has a lot to do with the runs I achieve. I open the stock holes in his mufflers to 3/32" and I don't add any additional holes. I never checked the venturi as it's the one it came with. The plane would barely make the pattern on 4 oz. Sometimes I would have to run a bit leaner to get the mileage to make the pattern as the engine was starting to lean out in the overhead, barely making  the clover leaf. The Powermaster fuel seems to be the other key as the 11/22 works quite well in these engines. I've since added a 4 1/2 oz. tank and enjoying every bit of it. Ken
« Last Edit: June 26, 2012, 07:50:36 AM by kenneth cook »

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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2012, 08:28:17 PM »
Andrew, my set up is a uniflow clunk tank, powermaster 10/22, thunder tiger 11x4.5, stock muffler or tongue, flat washers on the backplate screws with a drop of ca. My planes are a Primary Force, Teosawki, P-40 and a Tutor, they don't need the extra power of the .46. I think the weight difference is very small. I have plenty of la46 motors and i can't tell the difference in the runs except for a little more power and fuel usage from the .46. Best thing is i gave $25 dollars or less for each of them. The FP40 is the one i had to tinker a lot with to get suitable runs. I think you should give the LA40 another shot! Best regards, Ray
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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2012, 05:55:48 AM »
Hello Ray and Ken,
Thanks for the advice on the LA40, next time I give my sole example a try, I will take heed of your advice. I must admit I gave up with mine as it was very fussy about needling and it did give me some aggro as a result. I have tried the APC 10.5x4.5 and it didn't help much, so it looks as though the fuel and tongue muffler may be the key. Ray I did use the standard muffler and it didn't give me much joy, so maybe back to fuel as a cause.
Isn't it strange that an engine can get different reputations in different countries! Most folk in the UK sem to have a down on the 40 and love the 46! for stunt. The flip side is that the 40's tend to be very cheap over here, so maybe it is worth persevering a little more.

Thanks to you both,

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Re: ..O S LA 40's...
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 09:47:53 PM »
Andrew, my set up is a uniflow clunk tank, powermaster 10/22, thunder tiger 11x4.5, stock muffler or tongue, flat washers on the backplate screws with a drop of ca. My planes are a Primary Force, Teosawki, P-40 and a Tutor, they don't need the extra power of the .46. I think the weight difference is very small. I have plenty of la46 motors and i can't tell the difference in the runs except for a little more power and fuel usage from the .46. Best thing is i gave $25 dollars or less for each of them. The FP40 is the one i had to tinker a lot with to get suitable runs. I think you should give the LA40 another shot! Best regards, Ray

Hi Ray,

Are you running yours in a "wet 2"?  Or in a 4-2?  Personally I have found the .46LA to be more user friendly.  The lighter weight and more power doesn't hurt the equation, either! ;D

I hope to get up to Hobby Park and do some flying with you.

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