News:



  • June 22, 2025, 01:57:01 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970  (Read 2738 times)

Offline frank mccune

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1627
Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« on: June 24, 2014, 05:39:01 PM »
       Hi:

       I would like to have information regarding the above mentioned engine.  I flew one today and it worked to perfection.

      I remember being told that they had little power, were heavy and had a very large mounting footprint.

      I was also told that if one added one extra head gasket, this engine would run like a perfect stunt engine.
 They also had a flat topped piston with Duke's own type of porting.  I guess that they originated from a Rat Race engine that just did not make it in racing.

     Anybody have any experience with these engines? What are you memories?

                                                                                                                               Tia,

                                                                                                                               Zeke
 

   

Offline M Spencer

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 5239
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2014, 04:42:31 AM »
UK Nationals Gold Trophy winners

1974   Pete Tindall   Chipmonk   Fox 40   





So had to ' resist ' the temptation to aquire one . Some snivling git was whining the 4-2 made them seize on the 2 as they got no oil .
This goes with T120 bonnevilles break there cam chains , Id think .

havnt run one myself , but youd save on NOSEWEIGHT .  :## Likely useing glue , ply doublers and 1/2 square bearers necesary
with old iron piston things - a engine bed - as the vibes tend to unglue stuff . Tindall used a 11 x 5 Punctillo ( prop ) offset even.
The bladesnot centered on line through crank . were popular back then in europe . A.M.A. has the plan . Published in Aeromuddler
and the U S . Good in depth construction & light weight finishing artical in the magazine . Seems a compatant aeroplane .

Offline Bill Little

  • 2017
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 12668
  • Second in COMMAND
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2014, 08:30:48 AM »
Hi Frank,

I have run the '72 Fox .40 Stunt quite a bit.  Flew one in Competition in a T-Bird II in Classic for a couple years.  They run like a bigger Fox .35 IMHO.  They are not the most powerful .40 you can use, but have pretty decent power for their era.  5%-10% nitro, 25%-28% castor with some synthetic in it for fuel.  Anything from a 10-6EW Rev Up to 11-5, 11-6 props.  The ST .40 and .46 were the choice of the Top Guns so this engine didn't gain a lot of respect in that regard.

Duke started out with the idea of a Pylon engine, gave up and turned it over to George Aldrich to make a Stunt engine out of it.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
Big Bear <><

Aberdeen, NC

James Hylton Motorsports/NASCAR/ARCA

AMA 95351 (got one of my old numbers back! ;D )

Trying to get by

Offline frank mccune

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1627
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2014, 09:22:15 AM »
     Hi:

     Thanks for the replies!

     I wanted to use an 11X5" prop on the Magician but there was no Clarence betwen the prop and and the grass.  This, I went to a 10X6" which just got airborne by mowing some grass!  I was thinking of a 9X8  three bladed prop for a bit more of grass clearence.

    Yes, one most likely have to add nose weight with this engine.  It weighs 8 oz.  It did not rev up like the 1972 Fox .36 plain bearing but what a strong 4 cycle and a great 2 cycle break.  No, it is not modern, but so am I! Lol

     Thus far, I really like this engine for stunt use.  One big problem! There are NO spare parts from Fox for this engine.  Perhaps there are people out there who have some squirrled away.

                                                                                                                 Stay well my friends,

                                                                                                                  Frank

     

Offline dennis lipsett

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1718
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2014, 10:02:15 AM »
These large case 40's show up frequently on E-Bay and other sites and generally do not go for extravagant prices. Look for one in good condition and buy it. Screw and gaskets are generally not a problem and in any case I always change the Phillips screws out immediately on any of the old iron I own.

Dennis

Offline M Spencer

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 5239
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2014, 12:38:06 AM »
The Olde TORNADO 9 x 6 three blade might be the trick . the 10 x 4s & 10 x 6s are good . Soaking in a plastic bag , damp with armouralll
softens even brittle old yellow Tornados , that snap in your fingers otherwise .

Sounds like you need bigger wheels or longer legs though .

Offline frank mccune

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1627
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2014, 05:41:52 AM »
     Hi Bill:

      Yes, longer legs and/or larger wheels would be nice.

       I see that there are some very light "sponge" wheels for sale that may be the hot set up.  About a 3' size may suffice.  The LHS, 50 miles away , has them for $25.00 per pair!  Perhaps there is a less expensive mail order source

       Back in the my days of abject poverty, I made wheels out of 1/8" scraps of wall paneling.  Perhaps I will make a three or 3.5" pair of these again.  Crude but effective! Lol I used these wheels on my Goldberg Racers many years ago! I still have a Goldberg Racer hanging in the attic that has these wooden wheels installed! Lol ;D

       Thanks for the help!

                                                                                  Be well and write often,

                                                                                  Frank

Offline frank mccune

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1627
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2014, 10:12:50 AM »
      Hi:

      I just remembered that I am using a pair of 2.5" wooden wheels on the Super Clown that I am now flying! It needs larger wheels to permit takeoffs and landings without flipping over! Lol

                                                                                       Stay well,

                                                                                       Frank

Offline M Spencer

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 5239
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2014, 07:08:32 AM »
They recon you put the 2 dollar ' square ' ( cross section ) R. C. wheels in the freezer , then the drill chuck - on a bolt , & get out the sanding block .
then youve got two dollar discus streamline wheels , with very soft tyres .  n~ ah well , they weigh nothing , anyway . mk Korean or something .

Offline L0U CRANE

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1076
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2014, 04:26:24 PM »
I campaigned a later series of the big case 40 for several years  in the early 80's... That was the ringed 2BB, matte finish case model with the straight, not bulged bypass.

It took a while to dial in, mainly because it needed a very different "tank height" setup to run the same both ways. I did reduce compression by cutting the head button to a straight cone from the cylinder wall depth to the plug depth. Reason: in the stock the flat squish and bubble combustion chamber only the bubble showed a charred hot spot, while the rest of the chamber volume was not heated much at all. Ran a bit harsh as stock; much smoother and more economical as mod'd. No burn zone in the mod head after hundreds of flights, just an even light tan.

The engine was so smooth - with good power - in a juicy 2-cycle that I didn't push for a 4-2 run. I had two near identical originals - the Atavists, if anyone recalls them - same area, around 675, same weight - a bit over 50 oz, same perfprmance (VERY good). The other had an OS 40 FSR CL. Another good engine. No power problem with either engine - plenty, consistent and dependable.

The second Atavist had a more tapered wing, with same % airfoil root to tip. It was more susceptible to roll deviations in choppy wind, but otherwise they were well matched. I since use a thicker % airfoil out towards the tip...

It took a while, but once the tank height was right, that Fox 40 BB Sch was excellent. The head mod could possibly be done with an extra gasket or two, but the cone simulated a demolition 'shaped charge' form...
\BEST\LOU

Offline L0U CRANE

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1076
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2014, 04:34:47 PM »
Frank, it just occurred to me that Fox had a very large, very heavy, huge footprint schneurle 40 before the one I used.

That one had an aluminum spacer, cut for the cooling fins, between the lower crankcase and the head. The aluminum piece was 'trapped' between them, in other words. THAT may have been the one with a rep for mediocre power. Worst thing I saw about them was that the least carelessness in torquing the upper pieces in would squeeze the aluminum spacer, distorting things.

It did NOT have a bolt-on carb/venturii, like the later big-frame Foxes.
\BEST\LOU

Offline Robertc

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 307
Re: Need information for Fox Big Case .40 Stunt circa 1970
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2014, 09:22:12 AM »
I ran one in the early 70's just after it came out.  I  really liked it,ran a Rev Uo 10 x 6 and a Power Prop 11 x 6.  Used K & B 100 fuel.

Tags: