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Offline Dave Hull

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Muffler ID?
« on: January 30, 2023, 07:12:52 PM »
Came across a muffler in "the box that holds all mufflers" and had no idea where it came from, who made it, or what it was originally intended to fit. Header is brazed to the main body. The header and body are gold anodized. On this particular example, the threaded holes are a bit damaged, but are bigger than 4-40 threads. The holes are spaced around 1.470" (37.3mm) apart. Who remembers this "two-tuber?"

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2023, 07:17:21 PM »
That's a Semco muffler.

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2023, 07:28:34 PM »
Hmmm. That name was running thru my head. So it is an aftermarket part.... Any idea what it was intended to fit?

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2023, 10:06:24 PM »
Dave,

The Semco system was somewhat popular around 1975, especially with R/C flyers.  It consisted of a set of adapters that fit over engine exhaust flanges, plus a set of mufflers of various shapes and sizes.  To install, you bolt the adapter to the muffler, then clamp that assembly onto the engine using a hose clamp style strap.  There were multiple size ranges, at least one for larger engines like .60s, and another for smaller engines like .15s.  It was not the lightest or most elegant system, but it did help get a few planes in the air.  It bridges a gap during the transition period when engine manufacturers had not yet retooled to accommodate the demand for muffled engines.

Peter

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2023, 10:44:42 PM »
Peter,

Thanks for the tips. Using that, I found a picture that looks pretty close, but doesn't confirm the engine size for what I have.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=KXN5aDPx&id=0AF3A13F9D51F8DA4BA6168972C94563C5CF80EA&thid=OIP.KXN5aDPxJ7-i65c1RzZh3gHaFj&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.ebayimg.com%2fimages%2fg%2fS%7e8AAOSwc8xjDjkm%2fs-l500.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.2973796833f127bfa2eb9735473661de%3frik%3d6oDPxWNFyXKJFg%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=375&expw=500&q=semco+muffler+for+model+airplane+engines&simid=608005943364447149&FORM=IRPRST&ck=F822C13061924B5A7AD1D38423A3FF88&selectedIndex=4&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

Kind of puzzling why mine has a bolt running down thru the center. The rear cap was such a tight press fit it put a large bulge in the tubular main body...and the one in the ebay picture has no bolt at all....

edit---looks like mine matches up with a ST.60.  A micro-sized muffler for that engine....

Dave

Offline Peter in Fairfax, VA

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2023, 05:31:28 AM »
Dave,

The picture you linked shows a complete Semco system, including the muffler itself, the black adapter, and the strap.  The part number coding for the adapters includes both a color and a part number.  The Veco .19 adapter I linked above is in a pink package and marked 6-S, with S meaning small.  The adapter you sent is in a blue package and marked 4-L, meaning large. 

It's possible that some Semco mufflers may happen to fit directly, without an adapter, either by chance or by design, but the adapter system was the primary design thrust.

Peter

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2023, 06:51:35 PM »
A mufflers a mufflers a muffler .

Has it got room to tap for S T Ex spacing ? 1 1/2 inch odd , or is the duct to wide ? a picture of the Ex entry ole ? .

ST .46 is the Same , of course . The FP / LA is a bit narrower , just . Flash looking piece of equipment there .

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2023, 09:07:07 PM »
Air Misery,

A smuffler ain’t a smuffler ain’t a smuffler!

Here’s your pic of the Ex entry ole—attached.

The Semco already fits a Sooper Tigre Neptuno that I compared at 1.470 inches. I would just have to clean up the threads. Howsomesoever, it isn’t the same as the Sooper Tigre G21 holometry, which is much less spacier, being inside the stack. So one of them obtunium spacers that Peter was going on about would need to get involved. Which is good he brought it up, since I didn't know about them at all....

The OS Maximus .40 and .46LAs have 35.5 mildewmeter spacing, for blokes below the tropic of unicorn. Using M3x.5 pins.

No immediate plans for this Semco Goldy (don't say flash or the VAT kicks in), but liked to know what she’s good for…before I put it back into the storage box to wait for an airplane to prop it up on....

The Divot (with roos in the top paddock)

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2023, 06:34:17 PM »
MARVELOUS .

If its the wrong size , you could fit a 1/4 plate taped forinjun ,with C'sunk screws to muffler .

Atleast theres meat there , and screw holes already . If its no use , I'll Take It ! .  ;D

Styleish piece of equipment . Though MUFFLER originally meant ' Not Quite so loud ' .  :-X

https://twitter.com/i/status/959155512922193921

« Last Edit: February 01, 2023, 07:23:38 PM by Air Ministry . »

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2023, 07:35:28 AM »


       Semco mufflers were made by Jim Semonian d.b.a. Braze-All Mfg. in Watertown, Massachusetts. As stated above, adaptors were used to fit the various engines. Jim and I were good friends and belonged to the same RC club. An ex-control liner, he always wondered why he couldn't penetrate the C/L community. I told him, but the reason didn't resonate until he spoke to a C/L group and was given the same answer; too heavy.

       However, I've found a use for them for C/L. My ancient Super Duper Ziltch needed nose weight, not to mention quieting the Fox 59. The Semco muffler took care of both. A plate was screwed to the muffler and a strap attached to the plate for mounting to the engine. On Spectra lines, the combo is a great flying Old Timer.

       I found the manifold in my 'box 'o' mufflers' and use it on my Twister as a tongue/diverter unit. No complaints about the dB's at Brodaks so it's a keeper. It's a butt fit on the Thunder Tiger 42.

       They're also handy for use on the test stand. Sadly, Jim's no longer with us.

       Ara


 

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Re: Muffler ID?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2023, 08:09:34 AM »
Got to love this site, with all the back stories on how items were designed, manufactured and sold.  A high percentage of members designed, manufactured or retailed hobby shop goods.

An early lightweight chip/tongue muffler maker was Slimline.  The rights were bought by Desert Engines, as they needed a muffler for their large engines.  No plan to re-introduce the full line, sadly.

Peter


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