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Offline Darren Stout

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Fox 35 Running Issues
« on: May 09, 2010, 03:15:52 PM »
Hi just wondering I have a new fox 35 with hemi head and stuffer back plate and am having some running issues. Running on muffler pressure it's seems to richen up lean out itself at differing times. Played around with needle settings etc and sometimes motor would just cut out. And this is setting the engine to a 2-4 break. Couldn't get a satisfactory run. even after running in for about half hour. Engine would just cut out unexpectedley. Now after coming home from flying field and invetigating this issue we found it gave a better run and emptied tank completley running on suction with out cutting out. fuel is 10% nitro and 25% castor(Klotz Benol) don't really think this is the problem because the smaller engines ran fine on the same batch of fuel as we mix it ourselves. Has anyone got any ideas eg needs more run in time etc or is there something else that some one has come across. any advice gratly appreciated. by the way the engine is in one of brodak's flite streak's freshly completed. can't ost up photo's of our planes as it'll only let me post phot's up to 1000kb and photo's are about 1.25mb
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Offline Jim Thomerson

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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010, 04:27:22 PM »
Couple of the usual questions: What tank set up and what prop?  I'd suggest bench running the engine on about a 9 x 4 prop. Run it a couple of minutes in a rich two cycle and let it cool down, then do the same again several times.  Idea is to run it fast, but well lubed.  If it gets hot and starts to slow down, pull the fuel line off.  Hopefully you are not using a Fox NVA.  I run St NVA's and there are other good ones.  Fox should run fine on muffler pressure and uniflow tank. 

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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 01:34:19 AM »
Couldn't get a satisfactory run. even after running in for about half hour

    As a general rule, 1/2 hour is not nearly enough to get consistent runs. Some of the looser engines might be at least safe to run after that amount of running, if you are very careful and follow full heat-cycle procedures, but on average it will take a lot longer than that for a Fox. If I had a tight motor, I might be tempted to do the first hour, hour and a half with heat-cycling until it will hold a reasonable setting, then hook it up to a gallon fuel can with uniflow,  and walk away.

    A lot of guys now only get Foxes from swap meets, eBay, etc, after they have been through a few owners, on the theory that it takes about 3 guys to build up enough run time for them to be loose enough.

    Of course there's a bunch of other things that might be wrong but not breaking them in enough is a really good starting place.

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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 04:01:29 AM »
        Darren, my experience with Fox 35's is that they just don't cut out. In the event that it does there's usually a reason. Now, the engine being new brings a whole lot of issues in itself. In the event your using the stock plug I would get rid of it immediately. I've seen more issues with those plugs than any one particular problem. I've even had those plugs go fresh out of the package. I still use them in a pinch but this way I do know what I'm in for. They can cause this erratic running and shut off. A good hot plug is in order. I've had backplate gaskets leak which can do the same as you stated. The one difference here is that you've stated hemi so I'm guessing you have the stuffer plate as well. These backplate are far better quality then the stock and have more area for the gasket to lay on without getting squished out. This doesn't mean that the case surface isn't true. You would be surprised at how irregular the case surface is if you leveled it on a flat piece of glass with sandpaper and oil. This practice should be a prerequisite on any Fox .35 new or not. Based on the other info you've mentioned I would also try different fuel as an experiment to rule that out as well. I've seen fuel work in one engine and not in others. Engines would start right up then just quit like you've mentioned. I would just try it due to the simplicity of the experiment. Vibrations can cause excessive foaming of fuel and the engine just quits. This can be the most frustrating. If your using the older style needle valve assembly make sure you put a small piece of tubing on the threads butted up to the spraybar so no air is leaking. Ken

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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 06:50:13 AM »
+1 On the plug. Thunderbolt long R/C, Glo-devil 300, and K&B long R/C plugs all work well. Fox long R/C can work also. I am sure there are others, but I know these work.
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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 02:54:28 PM »
well after checking things and fitting new nva making sure no air leaks anywhere changing fuel and also changing plug still no change and that after another 45 min run time. will hold a 2 cycle run but as soon as you richen to try get a 4-2 break it'll stop. wonder if it is cooling plug or not. when it stops put glo stick back on and starts no problems at all. no tightness in motor so this has got me puzzled
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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 04:08:08 PM »
This ventures into the realm of experimentation but just for the heck of it and if you have one, try substituting the hemi-head for a stock head, see if it changes the run. As for the stuffer back plate, don't even think about taking it off - should be mandatory on all Fox 35s IMHO. 8)
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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2010, 06:56:53 AM »
I had just about the same problem that you have described just yesterday with a Fox that had some time on it and always been a pretty fair runner. To make a long story short it was the back plate gasket. I wish Fox would go to an o-ring and loose the cork gasket.
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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2010, 12:33:33 PM »
I had just about the same problem that you have described just yesterday with a Fox that had some time on it and always been a pretty fair runner. To make a long story short it was the back plate gasket. I wish Fox would go to an o-ring and loose the cork gasket.

      If that's the issue then I suggesting ditching the gaskets entirely, facing off the case with 240 grit sandpaper on a piece of glass, and sealing it up with silicone gasket goo. It lasts forever and if done correctly will seal even pretty uneven surfaces. The reason they use cork is that the surfaces are so uneven, and the backplate so prone so bending (the tabs where the screws go through bend down and leave the rest of the sealing surface with a gap - to be filled by the cork.). Somewhere on the internet there's a illustrated guide to fixing the same issue on the 15/25LA plastic backplate, the Fox version is essentially the same.

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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2010, 11:47:03 AM »
Darren; What plug are you running? Sure sounds like a plug problem to me, since it quits when you richen it up. My Foxes and McCoy's will both do that with a cold plug. If you are running a hot plug, you might try another one just in case you got a bad one.
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Re: Fox 35 Running Issues
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2010, 10:15:24 PM »
I took Brett's advice and siliconed the backplate on one that has been giving me fits lately.  It ran like it should today.  Thanks for the advice, now I just need to learn to fly the airplane properly.
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