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OS Max 35. what fuel?
« on: October 09, 2010, 10:21:21 AM »
Hi, I recently got my hands on an unused os max 35 (circa '76). The instructions state 25% castor oil, but can I use a modern fuel with say 16% synthetic and 4% castor or do I need to add castor to the fuel, or what?
Don't want to wreck this motor, so any advice would be really helpful.. Thanks
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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 11:51:18 AM »
Hi, I recently got my hands on an unused os max 35 (circa '76). The instructions state 25% castor oil, but can I use a modern fuel with say 16% synthetic and 4% castor or do I need to add castor to the fuel, or what?
Don't want to wreck this motor, so any advice would be really helpful.. Thanks
Phil Myers


Hi Phil  the following is from the fuel article pegged at the top of this forum, you may want to take a look at it

   So what percentage do you try? For motors like Fox .35s, OS Max 35s or the old McCoy’s and K&B’s, use a fuel with 26 to 28% oil content; preferably half castor and half synthetic, up to 75% castor  is OK. These  motors have very small bearing surfaces, and are subject to much wear and heat, most are all plain bushing motors and most have unbushed rods. They need a lot of  oil  to help cool the engines. Since these motors run hot, they need  extra oil to keep them lubed,clean, and to carry out heat . If you have one of these that is  in very good  shape but, is  just starting to get some brown or black varnish plating on it, the synthetic mix will clean it  up for you, resulting in increased life.  Do not use the synthetic  blend in an old motor that has a lot of time on it with all castor fuels; the synthetic will remove the castor varnish off the piston and sleeve and will in some cases, leave you with the worn-out motor that had to start with.  Also always try to NOT use  prop shaft extensions with these engine, as it adds a  lot of  wear on the crankshaft bearing.

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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 04:56:53 PM »
Randy, thanks for the info; guess I should have read your original article first. There's a lot of information in that post... btw I forgot to mention that I want to use this motor in an s1 Ringmaster (winter project) how do other members on SH think of this match up? Too powerful or about right... once again any comments are much appreciated..Thanks
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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 05:44:19 PM »
Randy, thanks for the info; guess I should have read your original article first. There's a lot of information in that post... btw I forgot to mention that I want to use this motor in an s1 Ringmaster (winter project) how do other members on SH think of this match up? Too powerful or about right... once again any comments are much appreciated..Thanks
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I had dozens of S35s  I used the 30S and 35S in my Ring Masters, they worked very well in the plane
YOu can also use an Enya 25 or 30SS or a OS 25LA

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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 06:25:15 PM »
I have an OS 35S in a Thunderbird that I got from John Miller.  It was set up by Tommie Lay.  One of my favorite engines, and certainly the best 35.  I use SIG 25% all castor fuel.

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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 05:12:26 AM »
I've got a Randy Smith prepared OS 35S in my Jamison Special, outstanding engine. You might wanna ask about having him do his thing on it since it's new.
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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2010, 08:26:01 PM »
The O.S. MAX .35 is a good match for a Ringmaster - run it in a wet 2 cycle with something like a 10X4 prop to keep the speed down. I like 10% nitro and 22-26 % oil ( 50/50 castor / synth). Glow plugs make a big difference- get an assortment and see which one your combo of fuel/prop / plane likes best.

Back in the day my friends and I ran all our .35s ( Fox / K& B / Enya / OS ) on 9 x 6 props - in a screaming not quite too lean engine run. Planes were too fast and 3 oz tanks lasted a looong time. Slower is better I have learned as I get older and slower.

The FP .35's are a bit more powerful - I've had good luck with them on Oriental / Shoestring / Banshee size models that have a thicker wing than the S1 Ring.  A good FP .25 has planty of power for a Ringmaster and the older Max .35 is closer to the FP 25 in power than it is to the .35 FP.
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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 01:53:03 PM »
Thankyou to all who have posted tips and advice for me.. Phil

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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 02:57:47 PM »
Thankyou to all who have posted tips and advice for me.. Phil

Phil

IF... you really have a "new" motor, and you want it to last a long time I would replace the wrist pin and vent the rod
Other things I would do but those are critical
The stock wrist pin has metal pads in the ends and will destroy the sleeve, I have done many hundreds of these motors and everyone I have seen used have 2 grovves cut into the sleeve, or at least score marks in the sleeve where the metal wrist pin ends cut into the sleeve, replace the pin or at least make new pads. or have someone do this.
The venting of the rod involves drilling oiling holes, It will make the rod last much longer, and run proper fuel as I stated earlier.

The stock muffler is very restrictive and you can run a .305 or so venturie, the aftermarket tube or tongue mufflers are much more open and you need a .275 or so venturie.
I used 10% nitro 28% oil in most of mine, 1\2 castor
Randy
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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 05:14:49 PM »
Randy, I was told by a very experienced and renowned flier that, back in its day, the OS Max 35's that were competition material had Supertigre rods installed.  Of course, this was a "secret" and the big dogs weren't supposed to reveal the changes they had made.  Any comment?  Is the ST rod still available?
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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 07:15:27 PM »
Randy, I was told by a very experienced and renowned flier that, back in its day, the OS Max 35's that were competition material had Supertigre rods installed.  Of course, this was a "secret" and the big dogs weren't supposed to reveal the changes they had made.  Any comment?  Is the ST rod still available?

You may can find a ST rod, but it will be tough, The rod doesn't just slip in, it does NOT fit, the Bottom bushing will need to be remade and pressed into the rod for the ST rod to work, I made rods for them and also rebushed ST 29 35 rods. The rod is not the worse thing inside the motor, If you vent the stock rod it will last much longer, I would be much more concerned about the wrist pin

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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2010, 10:18:57 AM »
Randy, I was told by a very experienced and renowned flier that, back in its day, the OS Max 35's that were competition material had Supertigre rods installed.  Of course, this was a "secret" and the big dogs weren't supposed to reveal the changes they had made.  Any comment?  Is the ST rod still available?

What Randy said. Also, the fix that Big came up with was to use the stock rod with the venting Randy speak of as in oil holes and slots in the face of the rod where it contacts the crank. The big mod that saves the whole reciprocating/rotating bits is to limit the crank end play. Big made a teflon button that located in the hollow crankpin hat limited the end play to .015" to .020" The crank bouncing back and forth in the stock setup puts big time bending loads on the wrist pin and rod bearings. Limiting the movement limits the loads.

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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2010, 04:55:46 PM »
What Randy said. Also, the fix that Big came up with was to use the stock rod with the venting Randy speak of as in oil holes and slots in the face of the rod where it contacts the crank. The big mod that saves the whole reciprocating/rotating bits is to limit the crank end play. Big made a teflon button that located in the hollow crankpin hat limited the end play to .015" to .020" The crank bouncing back and forth in the stock setup puts big time bending loads on the wrist pin and rod bearings. Limiting the movement limits the loads.

HI Dave,

Thanks for that info. (I just saw this thread)  I know the McCoy RHs all had the button in the end of the crank, and I wondered why more companies didn't do that..... ???

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Re: OS Max 35. what fuel?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 07:19:29 PM »
I hesitate to take my OS 35S apart and mess with the con rod or the wrist pin ends.  However, if it will make it last longer, I will do it.

GMA once reported putting aluminum rivets into wrist pins.  Some of my engines use wrist pin pads: the Orwick uses brass discs (which are easily lost when taking it apart).  Most wrist pin pads don't fall out, so I don't worry about them.
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