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Offline Perry Rose

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Max-S .35
« on: October 02, 2024, 06:31:50 AM »
What should the venturi throat size be for this engine? For stunt use.
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Re: Max-S .35
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2024, 08:26:59 AM »
I don't have a Max 35, but I do have a Max 30.

I got it from an estate sale. My Max 30 came with a 0.307" venturi which is larger than the OS stock one for that engine. I also run the engine with the stock strap-on muffler. The engine ran OK but not to my liking. I switched it out to the smaller stock size of 0.275" venturi with stock 4mm spray bar. It runs much better, but with muffler pressure. I also tried it with an open vent, but IMO it runs better w/ muffler pressure. This tells me that the 0.275" may still be a bit too big for good fuel draw if an open vent is used.

The effective throat area of the 0.275" venturi and 4mm spray bar is approx 0.0165".

I run my Max 30 on a SIG Banshee w/ a 9.5-5 MAS prop at around 9,800 rpm on the ground (right at the break point) on 10% nitro and 26% oil (50/50 syn/castor). 

The 0.275" venturi may be fine on the larger Max 35.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2024, 11:08:08 AM by Colin McRae »

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Re: Max-S .35
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2024, 08:49:47 AM »
What should the venturi throat size be for this engine? For stunt use.

  This is in the thread pinned at the top of the engine section, a listing that covers most common factory stock venturi sizes posted by randy Smith, and the OS MAX-S is listed at .265"-.300".

   https://stunthanger.com/smf/engine-set-up-tips/venturi-inside-diameters/


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Re: Max-S .35
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2024, 09:22:39 AM »
Randy's chart is pretty good, but based on experience from the mists of time, I would err on the small side. If you are anywhere near the high end of the range you had better know what you are doing - and when to give up and make it smaller! Trying to use excessive venturis to "Get More Power" was a very common problem back in the day, because you really were power-limited (unlike today). The OS-35S (and the others in the series) came with two venturis, and based on every example I ever saw, the "big" venturi was too big to run with suction. That didn't stop anyone from trying, of course - it was no different from now, every other guy figured he was an expert engine man, and so ended up with burn-down after burn down.

   You are much better off on the small side for the venturi, and if you want to Get More Power, run more nitro. That might also destroy something eventually (like the conrod or crank), but how much are you going to fly a 35S outside the occasional classic contest?

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Re: Max-S .35
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2024, 07:29:43 PM »
I am getting good results with a .260 venturi diameter, 4mm spraybar, OS-703 muffler, 10x5 BY&O prop, and 10/25 or 10/29 mostly castor fuel. Tank is a standard wedge with uniflow, no pressure. Very steady, ok power at 4-2 for a Flight Streak. I could definitely go bigger, but no need on this 27 oz. plane flying on 52' lines.

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Re: Max-S .35
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2024, 09:46:53 PM »
He gave two sizes , depending on muffler . Might try a tall one , if its custom .

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Re: Max-S .35
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2024, 10:53:47 PM »
He gave two sizes , depending on muffler .

  Right, USE THE SMALL ONE!   .300 *is too big in almost all circumstances*, at least for suction, no matter what muffler you use. Several NATs were won using an ST60 with a .295 venturi and a 4mm spraybar, why would you want to try to put an even bigger one on a weak 35? 

     Dave Hull just posted a working system with a small venturi, another .005-.010 would pick up some power without degrading the run quality too much -  but .040 bigger is way over the top. You have to have something that is tractable and reliable for a baseline. Afterwards, carefully experimenting and sneaking up on it is worth a try, but get it working first, then try if necessary.

I have been watching people make this same mistake for close to *50 years now*, why are we so dead set on repeating it again?

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