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Offline Martin Quartim

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Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« on: April 01, 2009, 03:11:47 PM »

I have some engines like the Enya 19, FOX 35, Enya 35  that has the older wedge combustion chamber shape and my question is

if I get a custom made Hemi Head for them, what improvement could I expect?

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Re: Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 08:28:43 PM »
  Martin, that is an "impossible Question" with no difinitive answer.  If you get the combustion chamber volume off, you might see absolutely no improvement and have a good possibility of even losing some performance.  When I was developing the Hemi for the fox 35,  I totally destructed two pistons before I even got close to one that worked.  I then made several more and "modified" some of those several times each  before I got one that satisfied me.
  so  my advise to you is  GO FOR IT!!! make one and see what happens and be prepared to make changes as you go along.  If you have the equipment ---Lathe---milling machine etc.  If you do not have the equipment and must "hire it done"  then try to find someone who is favorable toward  experimenting   say---perhaps for one of the final  end items.
  Some things to consider are distance from the top of the piston to the plug at TDC,  compression chamber volume, Squish band clearance and width, plug location.  Shape of the chamber---  ie-- true hemi,  flat bottomed hemi,  double bubble hemi  etc.

  good luck.

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Re: Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 10:45:02 PM »
Martin ,I tried hemi heads on many motors. I was a tool maker many years ago so it was easy for me to make them. I was trying for a special motor run not more power.They worked very well on the ST/40-46 and 60's.Some other motors they did nothing but make things worse. One thing that worked very well for me was to cut down the depth of the squish band and leave the head shape alone. This looks very odd but worked very well on the ST/46. In the old two port cross flow motor the  stock head is more efficient at using all the fuel and making power but that is not always the best stunt run. As Bigiron says it is a hard question to answer.
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Re: Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 09:26:50 AM »
Hi Marvin,

For the FOX 35 there are quite a few different hemi heads for sale and I am sure people are using them and could tell me what improvement they are getting. I can only imagine that there is a significant improvement in using a Hemi Head, just want to know a little more what happens when they are used.
 
The one sold by FOX is the one that you have designed right?

My FOX 35 is the 40th Anniv, with crank shaft re-worked, stuffer back plate with a PA NVA, it runs pretty good the way it is now, I love it! But if I can get it to run even better with a hemi head I will get one too.
 
For the other engines is a different story. I have 2 two  Enya 19 that I am reserving for a future Pathfinder  Twin, and I like to get the best performance out of them. I have a feeling that with the Hemi Head fuel will burn more efficiently boosting power, am I right so far?

I have no equipment to machine and will have to hire it done. I understand I would need to convert the original head in just a CLAMP and make the Combustion Chamber (Button) a second part, same as the FOX 35 hemi head is done.

The two piece head makes me wonder about heat transfers. Do people use thermal paste between the clamp and button?

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Re: Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 02:07:59 PM »
  Martin,  you are correct in the fact that I designed the Fox brand Hemi-Head for the Fox stunt 35.  There are currently four Fox Stunt 35  Hemi-Heads on the market, three of which have virtually identical head shapes and squish band configuration.  Only one is a "two piece" and that is the Fox mfg version.
 The opld fox was notoriously anemic when it came to "two Cycle" needle setting, but was very healthy in the four cycle needle setting, and also transitioned to and from the two to four settings 4-2-4 break setting.  Virtually all of the four hemi heads on the market for the stunt 35  enhance the four setting while controling  the tendency to run away when going to the "two" setting.  In my opinion,  the power increase in considerable when the right prop/fuel combonation is used.
  Noiw---  The Anya 19 is an engine that already likes to run in the "soft two" needle setting and does not like to 4-2-4 break as does the fox 35.  So I doubt that much (if any) benefit would be realized by converting to a Hemi set up.
  Depending on the shape of the baffle on the top of the piston, I think that it could be fairly easy to make a two piece head for them though.  If it slopes up from the exhaust side it will be very hard, but if it is square as is the Fox Stunt 35,  then quite easy.
  I do not do that type of work any more so I am NOT volunteering.

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Re: Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 07:50:42 PM »

Hi Marvin,

Thank you for the insight. I haven't run my Enya 19 in 35 years but I guess you are right  how it runs. Perhaps with the hemi head I'll get some 4-2-4  S?P

I just order the FOX hemi head and will try it on my FOX 35. I am using RSM 10x6 prop, Byron 10/20 with added Castor to bring  oil content to 28%. Should a change any of this to use the Hemi Head with the FOX 35?

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Re: Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 08:56:23 PM »
Martin, you should check the labor rates for custom machining.  I think you will find that it would be far cheaper to buy almost any new engine than to have even one head machined. 
Russell Shaffer
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Re: Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 10:10:43 PM »
Martin, you should check the labor rates for custom machining.  I think you will find that it would be far cheaper to buy almost any new engine than to have even one head machined. 

Hi Russell,

Labor rates here are not soo bad and I know some  one that will probably make it for free for me.

Also, I can't think of any .15 - .20 size engine that is as light and as powerfull as the  5.29 Oz Enya 19

For me there is the FUN of experimenting new things too. S?P

Martin
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Re: Making a Hemi Head for older engines with wedge type
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 10:26:54 PM »
Good luck to you.  You have the right attitude and the right engines.  I have one of those old 19's and it is great.
Russell Shaffer
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