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Offline frank mccune

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Is Duke's fuel required?
« on: June 07, 2018, 03:36:43 PM »
     Hi All:

     Must I use Duke's Fuel to get a Fox .35 Stunt to break from a steady 4 cycle to a 2 cycle when flying Stunt? Can this be accomplished from a blend of cator and synthetic or must sthe fuel contain 29% castor oil.  I was flying a CG Shoestring today.  I have seen Fox .35 engines break very well when mounted upright.  Perhaps they will not make a good transition when mounted on a profile.


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Re: Is Duke's fuel required?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2018, 04:01:52 PM »
     Hi All:

     Must I use Duke's Fuel to get a Fox .35 Stunt to break from a steady 4 cycle to a 2 cycle when flying Stunt? Can this be accomplished from a blend of cator and synthetic or must sthe fuel contain 29% castor oil.  I was flying a CG Shoestring today.  I have seen Fox .35 engines break very well when mounted upright.  Perhaps they will not make a good transition when mounted on a profile.


     Thoughts/suggestions

                                                                                                                                            Tia,

                                                                                                                                            Frank McCune

Hi  Frank

Duke's fuel was  not  recommended  BY FOX for the 35  SUPERFUEL  was its  29% oil Dukes was 20% oil
and  YES you can run 28% oil  half synthetic , and it will  work better, Please read my fuel article  posted on the  top of this forum

Randy 

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Re: Is Duke's fuel required?
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2018, 04:05:29 PM »
     Hi All:

     Must I use Duke's Fuel to get a Fox .35 Stunt to break from a steady 4 cycle to a 2 cycle when flying Stunt? Can this be accomplished from a blend of cator and synthetic or must sthe fuel contain 29% castor oil.  I was flying a CG Shoestring today.  I have seen Fox .35 engines break very well when mounted upright.  Perhaps they will not make a good transition when mounted on a profile.

   Duke's fuel does not contain enough oil for a Fox 35, at least for ideal life. Fox Superfuel is what most people used to use, that does have 28-29% castor.

   That is not necessary to make the 4-2 break happen, although oil content can affect the way it works. Depends on who you ask what fuel you should use but no one is recommending 20% oil. I would use 28% straight castor, but you can use a blend.

   On a profile, it works about the same as upright or inverted, *but only if you make the bypass stuffer modification*.

   People have some sort of magical thinking about Fox 35s and 4-2 breaks. There is nothing at all magical about it, just about any stunt engine (and even a Lawn-Boy lawnmower engine) can be set to misfire under low load and fire every stroke when loaded. A 25FP does a beautiful 4-2 break, smooth as silk, but if you are running it that rich, you aren't getting much power out of it. 46VF on a pipe, smooth as silk. PA61 on a pipe, very strong and you can set it for too little boost to WAY too much boost.

   The Fox 35 just happens to do it almost instantly (large venturi), with a massive change in the sound but very little change in the power (very low compression), at an rpm and load that works with a 10-6 prop on a Nobler.

    Brett

p.s. Randy and I do not have a hotline and we did not collaborate to gang up on you!


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