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Offline Robert Zambelli

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Interesting Glow Plugs
« on: August 10, 2024, 08:05:42 PM »
Picked these up at a swap meet years ago.
Haven't a clue  what they are.
Anybody?

Bob Z.
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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2024, 09:44:31 PM »
Lower right is a glow bee.
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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2024, 12:18:39 AM »
Lower left looks like an Arden.
Lower center looks like a Testors.

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2024, 01:06:52 PM »
Upper right is an Enya
Upper left looks like an old O.K. (Cub)
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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2024, 05:25:49 PM »
               I think the middle bottom is a O&R plug for the Mite .049.  I also believe the short plugs up top starting with the 2nd in from the left is  OK short G-3. The plug next to it looks similar to the shorts used on the Baby Spitfire. They usually have Spitfire stamped on them but this one doesn't appear to have that.

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2024, 06:12:16 PM »
On the Arden, you  can hypothetically replace the element if it burns out!  Where you might get an Arden replacement element is left to the reader.

   The Arden plug was the only plug with which I could get my dad’s Olhsson 23 side port to run on glow once I disconnected the batter. That, and 35% nitro. I was so proud of myself for about 10 seconds, then it shot the cylinder into the ceiling of the garage.

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2024, 09:39:15 AM »
MM - that Glo-Be has the strangest element I've ever seen!

Wes - I have a McCoy .049 that has a plug similar to the small one.

Reptoid - I think you're correct. The later OK plugs had silver stems instead of brass.

Ken - you may be correct - O&R Midget. I'll check out my Baby Spitfires - somewhere I have a bunch of them.

Brett - Actually, I've heard of that happening on the O&R 60 but not on the smaller engines.
Also, an old-time engine guru told me to NEVER run more than 10% nitro in and O&R because any more causes the cylinder to launch off the engine!
Yes, the Arden plug supposedly had a replaceable element. I've got some but I've never tried replacing one.

Thanks for all your help gents. Your knowledge is amazing!

Bob Z.


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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2024, 02:15:14 PM »
The element can actually be replaced in the Enya plugs like the #3 that many use. Enya even had an exchange program for some time where you sent them in and got credit off the price of the replacements
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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2024, 06:51:36 PM »
Also, an old-time engine guru told me to NEVER run more than 10% nitro in and O&R because any more causes the cylinder to launch off the engine!

  Confirmed! 

     The reason I was doing that was that it didn't show the slightest inclination to keep running without the battery no matter what plug I used on Fox Superfuel. I discovered that the first successful glow mixes were 3/8 Nitromethane, 1/8 ether, and 1/8 nitrobenzine, 3/8 castor(!), and the rest methanol. If that's what they thought it took in 1947, it was probably for use in engines like the converted ignition engines, so, that's what I used*. I had also heard that it was common to blow up these wimpy FF "chugger" ignition engines trying to run them on glow, and sure enough, that's exactly what happened. The other issue was that it was a 9-6 Top Flite, rather than the more typical FF ignition prop like a 12-8 at 4000 rpm.

   It was no great loss, it was my dad's engine, and he hated it because it would be running along fine, misfire ,and then 50/50 start back up backwards, which led to some entertaining stories, like when his Mr Mulligan backed over my Uncle Donnie.

     BTW, I ran a converted McCoy 29RR Red Head on the same fuel, no problem, and amazing (for the time...) power, and outstanding "shoe polish" smell that is probably still hanging in the garage.

     Brett

p.s. another interesting point was that it was absolutely no problem for a 14-year-old to get a pint of nitrobenzine in central Arkansas in 1975, go to the drugstore and the pharmacist would order it for you. He did balk at the 20 lbs of powdered Sulfur and 40 lbs of zinc powder, because he knew me.

*p.s. Technically it was Cox Racing fuel with "additives", but that did not affect the results!
« Last Edit: August 13, 2024, 02:13:30 PM by Brett Buck »

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2024, 07:17:41 PM »
I found these in a lot I recently purchased. Included was a receipt from Hobby Craft of Endicott, NY date 1971 for 24 Fox RC plugs for a grand total of $16.

These are three different "idle bar" plugs. I don't know who made them, but I know I saw the round bar type on the right in a patent. The body is parked "patent pending".

Greg

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2024, 07:29:47 PM »

Upper left looks like an old O.K. (Cub)

   That looks like a McCoy "standard short".

     Brett

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2024, 01:27:42 PM »
WOW, this topic is getting more and more interesting!

Now here's something I'll bet none of you have seen.
It's a three-bolt cylinder head with an integral glow plug!
In the third photo you can see the cutout for the piston baffle and the actual glow element.
The O.D. is 1 1/4 inches and the combustion chamber is approximately 3/4 inch diameter.

I have no idea where I found it - anyone????

Bob Z.

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2024, 01:53:15 PM »
Brett stated: "On the Arden, you  can hypothetically replace the element if it burns out!  Where you might get an Arden replacement element is left to the reader."
YES, you can indeed replace the element on the early Arden plugs the the practise only lasted a bit under a year, as it was tricky.
I have some elements (hot and cold) if anyone needs one.
First photo shows the original instruction sheet.
The spring ring "B" is welded to the element "A".
The threaded portion "F" screws into the brass nut "E"
Second photo shows the actual element assembly.

You can tell which plug has the replaceable element - it had the cross slot "D".

Interesting or what?

Bob Z.


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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2024, 04:52:20 PM »
Bob, makes me think of the Howie patent, 10years before Arden. https://modelenginenews.org/people/arden.html at he top you'll see the Howie design and near the middle of the page a McCoy attempt.

Googled 1930's glow engine (going on the Howie patent date) and found this. https://www.flickr.com/photos/15794235@N06/50195064068/in/photostream/ I couldn't find anything about Clipper Manufacturing, but the text maybe implies it came with both a glow and spark head.
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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2024, 06:03:36 PM »
             I wasn't aware that Arden was located in Danbury, CT. I frequently rode my motorcycle to Danbury on 2 nd Sunday of the month. Several thousand motorcyclists would meet at the Marcus Dairy. The dairy was a great place with plenty of room and a great place to catch a bite. Off to the side under a highway was a long stretch of road which many car and also bike drag races took place. I enjoyed watching that.

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2024, 03:19:32 PM »
 "3/8 Nitromethane, 1/8 ether, and 1/8 nitrobenzine, 3/8 castor(!), and the rest methanol."

Um, all those fractions add up to 8/8ths, so there wouldn't be anyplace to put any methanol. I wonder if "New Math" even has fractions. Jeebus!  LL~ Steve
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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2024, 03:21:51 PM »
10 more odd plugs!

Upper photo, second from right: VECO RC (I think)

Lower photo, two on left - O&R?

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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2024, 09:14:13 AM »
Top right = Robbie the robot.
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Re: Interesting Glow Plugs
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2024, 09:32:29 AM »
YES!!!!!   y1  y1


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