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Online rich gorrill

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Doing a compression check
« on: August 02, 2014, 11:03:12 AM »
I just did a compression check on one of my .46 LA engines. I added a small amount of fuel in the ex. port, rotated the prop to TDC and noticed a small amount of bubbles on the left side of the piston-liner. It holds for quite a while before totally losing all compression. This engine was bought used but the P&L look fine, no scratches or score lines. Should I run it on a test stand and see what happens. I would rather replace the parts now before I put it in a plane. How much air leakage, if any, is acceptable.

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2014, 02:47:58 PM »
It doesn't seem that your engine is in the prime of youth, but it certainly sounds as if there is enough compression left to run for a goodly time. LA46s are not the best engines for longevity, I would fly it until the power output is insufficient to satisfy your needs. Then put in a new P/L from Towers.

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2014, 03:16:29 PM »
Sounds pretty OK.  I have a Cox .049 that has almost no compression unless primed and flipped hard.  It starts and runs very well most of the time.  When it is acting up it is not the fault of the engine, it is the operator or dead batteries, which I guess is still on me...

Static compression on high speed engines is not completely meaningful.  If the bleed down takes time, then at 11k rpm there is not enough time to loose compression in the first place! 

With ABC or ABN (as OS uses) construction the piston and liner change size as the engine heats up.  A static test while cold is also not very meaningful.  It might be more beneficial to pop the head and carefully examine the liner for the nickel wearing through as a determination of if the engine needs parts or work.  With ABN the piston and the cylinder have similar life spans.

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 06:18:14 PM »


Static compression on high speed engines is not completely meaningful.  If the bleed down takes time, then at 11k rpm there is not enough time to loose compression in the first place! 



Many Team Race fliers may disagree with that.

And I would think that a better static compression in a lapped engine would result in a stronger running in all cases.
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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 07:25:35 PM »
Put it in a plane and fly it. You'll like it a lot! Read the pinned setups for the .46LA at the top of the page.  H^^ Steve
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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 07:59:34 PM »
I favor bench running with a tach.

For any size engine pick a tach prop and a tach fuel and start collecting data.   

For example:
LA15 - 7/4 prop and 10/10/10 fuel
LA25 - 8/6 prop and 10/10/10 fuel
L40 - 10/6 prop and 10/10/.10 fuel

After you gather some data you can decide which units are healthy.  Then you can go up the next level - hot starting.
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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2014, 08:10:56 AM »
As Steve said, go out and fly it, it will probably work fine. A lot of LA engines can wear in the P/L dept, but keep running well enough to fly. It doesn't take much effort to put in a new P/L if you have to.
Go and give it a whirl, chances are it will keep running for a long time, so what if you have not got the last 5%, you probably would not notice that anyway.

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2014, 03:06:04 PM »
Andrew - is there a Tower replacement p/c for an LA46? For which Tower engine? Might need to know this one day.
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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2014, 03:59:40 PM »
Andrew - is there a Tower replacement p/c for an LA46? For which Tower engine? Might need to know this one day.

NO  there is not

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2014, 01:09:55 PM »
Andrew - is there a Tower replacement p/c for an LA46? For which Tower engine? Might need to know this one day.

Ok, just some crazy talk...maybe...but these pictures look impressively similar

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0005p?&I=TOWG0146&P=PU

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27128__INC_46_Glow_Engine_with_Muffler_ABC_piston_sleeve_assembly_.html

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39659__INC_46_Glow_Engine_Cylinder_Piston.html

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJB07&P=PU

The carburators are both pinch-on as pictured in the first two links.  The liners in the second 2 links are very similar looking with a heavy groove under the lip.

I could very easily be completely wrong as pictures are just pictures.

Phil

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 04:39:59 AM »
Hello Ian,
Just to put the record straight. I meant buy a standard OS p/l set from Towers. Even with the postage it is a cheaper bet than buying in the UK unless you are near a model shop that stocks them! Towers don't do a p/l set of their own as Randy says. Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2014, 10:03:43 PM »
Ok, just some crazy talk...maybe...but these pictures look impressively similar

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0005p?&I=TOWG0146&P=PU

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27128__INC_46_Glow_Engine_with_Muffler_ABC_piston_sleeve_assembly_.html

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39659__INC_46_Glow_Engine_Cylinder_Piston.html

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJB07&P=PU

The carburators are both pinch-on as pictured in the first two links.  The liners in the second 2 links are very similar looking with a heavy groove under the lip.

I could very easily be completely wrong as pictures are just pictures.

Phil

Hi Phil

NONE of those links  are the same as a OS LA 46, and  they are also  not  plain bearing , those are dual ball  bearing engines, with  hugely different piston / sleeves , as compared to a LA plain bearing 46

Regards
Randy

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2014, 10:28:02 AM »
Hi Phil

NONE of those links  are the same as a OS LA 46, and  they are also  not  plain bearing , those are dual ball  bearing engines, with  hugely different piston / sleeves , as compared to a LA plain bearing 46

Regards
Randy

I misread Andrew's question.  I thought he switched it to asking about the TOWER branded 46, which is not an OS engine rebranded, but some other engine rebranded.  Tower lists the 46LA parts in stock currently.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0005p?&I=OSMG0047&P=Z

My brain must have misfired, OS parts are easy to get from many other venders too...

Phil

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2014, 12:08:42 PM »
I think some are confusing "compression ratio" with "compression integrity".  The CR is a constant, regardless of the engine wear (as long as it is running and leakage not a factor).  Compression integrity is all about leakage, best observed when slowly turning over.  Many worn engines will start easily with an electric starter.

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Re: Doing a compression check
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2014, 06:02:02 PM »
Compression ratio is a theoretical constant that assumes that there are no losses, but in a less than perfect world we are forced to deal with this.

So respectfully I disagree, true comp ratio does regard engine wear.

The closer you can get the engine to run to its mathematical comp ratio the stronger it will be.
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