News:



  • June 01, 2024, 03:17:52 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Header screws coming loose  (Read 794 times)

Offline Balsa Butcher

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2357
  • High Desert Flier
Header screws coming loose
« on: August 29, 2010, 11:01:00 AM »
I am having trouble keeping the screws that hold on the RE header on a piped engine from coming loose. Have gone to larger lock washers. Am considering blue lok-tite. Is securing with lok-tite an accepted practice? Any other practical suggestions for resolving this issue? Copper form-a-gasket used between header and engine, this does not appear to be the problem. Loose header screws make the engine get real loud,real fast, and real hot...ugh. :P
Pete Cunha
Sacramento CA.
AMA 57499

Offline RandySmith

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *****
  • Posts: 13747
  • Welcome to the Stunt Hanger.
    • Aero Products
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 01:07:05 PM »
Hi Pete

Yes use blue locktite  I do not use any lock washer, they seem to NOT work, instead they let the bolts come loose. I also use "duct tape as a gasket, they type of tape that looks like metal aluminum foil and is sticky on one side with paper backing
Use that as the gasket, or the stick on copper tape
I have zero problems this way

''Randy

Offline Balsa Butcher

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2357
  • High Desert Flier
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 01:56:36 PM »
Thanks Randy, Loc-Tite it will be, ditto on the gasket material.  8)
Pete Cunha
Sacramento CA.
AMA 57499

Offline Bill Little

  • 2017
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 12671
  • Second in COMMAND
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 02:01:26 PM »
A question!  Does any one know where a person can get the copper tape?  I used to have some pieces (which were given to me) but I have never found a source to buy it.  Have tons of the foil "duct" tape, but I like the copper better.  The stuff I had was actually "quilted"! ;D

Big Bear
Big Bear <><

Aberdeen, NC

James Hylton Motorsports/NASCAR/ARCA

AMA 95351 (got one of my old numbers back! ;D )

Trying to get by

Offline RandySmith

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *****
  • Posts: 13747
  • Welcome to the Stunt Hanger.
    • Aero Products
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 03:24:48 PM »
A question!  Does any one know where a person can get the copper tape?  I used to have some pieces (which were given to me) but I have never found a source to buy it.  Have tons of the foil "duct" tape, but I like the copper better.  The stuff I had was actually "quilted"! ;D

Big Bear

http://www.basiccopper.com/1milcopperfoil.html

you can buy copper  foil here  but you will have to add your own adhesive

Randy

Offline Tim Wescott

  • 2016 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 12823
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 04:32:11 PM »
Try stained glass supply houses.  Also look in electronics catalogs (i.e. http://www.digikey.com) -- sometimes copper tape is used to repair circuit boards.  Both sources will have it in fairly narrow widths, so it may not work for you.
AMA 64232

The problem with electric is that once you get the smoke generator and sound system installed, the plane is too heavy.

Offline Steve Helmick

  • AMA Member and supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 9950
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 04:42:41 PM »
No good ever came from using a lockwasher. In general, they do more harm than good. LockTite or elastic lock nuts are the way to go.  H^^ Steve
"The United States has become a place where professional athletes and entertainers are mistaken for people of importance." - Robert Heinlein

In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

Offline Bill Little

  • 2017
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 12671
  • Second in COMMAND
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2010, 09:50:17 PM »
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=3M1245C-ND
(click on the picture and it will enlarge to see the quilting)

This is EXACTLY the stuff I had years ago.  IIRC, the late Larry Barrickman gave me a foot or two.  It is quilted, and self adhesive. 

Mongo
Big Bear <><

Aberdeen, NC

James Hylton Motorsports/NASCAR/ARCA

AMA 95351 (got one of my old numbers back! ;D )

Trying to get by

Offline Ward Van Duzer

  • 2015
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1284
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 09:55:39 AM »
I still have my 'Barrickman' Tape! (somewhere?)


Ward-O  ???
I hate spelling errors, you mess up 2 letters and you are urined!

Don't hesitate to ask dumb questions.
They are easier to handle than dumb mistakes!  Ward-O AMA 6022

Offline Brett Buck

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 13765
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 01:31:57 PM »
I am having trouble keeping the screws that hold on the RE header on a piped engine from coming loose. Have gone to larger lock washers. Am considering blue lok-tite. Is securing with lok-tite an accepted practice? Any other practical suggestions for resolving this issue? Copper form-a-gasket used between header and engine, this does not appear to be the problem. Loose header screws make the engine get real loud,real fast, and real hot...ugh. :P

   I didn't know anyone was still using gaskets - we have used silicone sealant with nothing else (other than flattening the surface carefully) for 20-ish years now. I always make sure that some of it gets in the screw holes, and use the normal lockwashers, and I have never had a problem with the header coming off. Even if the screws get loose, the silicone holds it.

    Brett

Offline Mike Wada

  • ACE
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Ensign
  • ****
  • Posts: 26
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 01:44:53 PM »

I have been using heavy duty aluminum foil for header gaskets, lay on header and cut out with # 11 excel blade to form the gasket.  This has been working well for me.

Aloha,

Mike Wada:)
Mike Wada
AMA 512393

Offline RandySmith

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *****
  • Posts: 13747
  • Welcome to the Stunt Hanger.
    • Aero Products
Re: Header screws coming loose
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 01:59:24 PM »
   I didn't know anyone was still using gaskets - we have used silicone sealant with nothing else (other than flattening the surface carefully) for 20-ish years now. I always make sure that some of it gets in the screw holes, and use the normal lockwashers, and I have never had a problem with the header coming off. Even if the screws get loose, the silicone holds it.

    Brett

Hi Brett

We mostly still use gaskets, the ultra thin soft al tape make a very quick and easy gasket since it has self adhesive on one side,
 and is much much easier to get off than silicone is, and it doesn't fowl the screw holes, It is simple,  Quick, and effective
I use this and blue locktite, I never have headers get loose.

Years back when people used gaskets that were thick enough to crush, such as the paper gasket material, that in itself caused the problem with leaks and loose headers as I am sure you already know.
The thick gasket material will at some point let you header get loose, leak, and it's downhill from there

A loose header fill Doug Moon's NATs plane full of hot oil at this years NATs, most likley the reason it failed


Randy


Advertise Here
Tags:
 


Advertise Here