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Online Allen Eshleman

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Inboard mounted tanks
« on: July 18, 2020, 03:37:09 PM »
I have a Shark 402 with an LA 25.  The Hayes 4 oz. tank is mounted on the inside of the fuselage.  It starts and runs totally wound out.  However, after it takes off and goes for about half a circle, it slows down and runs slow as if rich. 

Any ideas?

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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2020, 06:11:29 PM »
That's what I was thinking.  I am going to put a smaller tank outside.


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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2020, 02:42:02 PM »
Look into RSM Snub Nose Uniflow tanks.. great for limited tank space on planes.

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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2020, 03:04:15 PM »
   What you might want and/or need is a true chicken hopper set up, where you have a large inboard tank that feed a smaller tank mounted outboard. The best examples of that I ever saw was on carrier models. Most of the bigger profiles had heavy ball bearing engines, so to get them to balance and hang on the lines correctly, you want a short nose moment. Bill Calkins designed the profile Guardian that Brodak put out and there may be info on those plans. The late Jim Thomerson had a great explanation with diagrams and such on Stuka Stunt that would be very helpful but that isn't around any longer. There are some tanks out there in production that have a small tank attached to the edge of a larger tank, but those are actually just a baffle type tank. While they make work well, they are not really a chicken hopper. I have had problems with those from having the pick up so far outboard, where the engine wants to lean out after it gets airborne and some centrifugal force starts to work against the fuel flow. You can also just fabricate a custom uniflow tank yourself by making a wood block form and dummy to the dimensions you need, then form the sheet tin stock around it and put the tubes where you think you need them. It's part of the hobby and a good skill to learn.
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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2020, 07:44:02 PM »
Howard Rush, who now flies stunt, once flew combat.  Before the rules outlawed it, he had made a "slow" combat model that had an inboard tank.  The idea was that the push of the fuel would be like pressure, allowing a larger venturi.  My recall was that it worked, but required pitting technique that was somewhat challenging.  I'd be interested in learning the technique.  Perhaps it required holding the inboard wing high to aid fuel flow on the ground.  The last time I tried to help launch it was 1975 in NJ.

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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2020, 06:58:28 AM »
On my primary force,  I run an inboard tank and an OS 25. I peak it out, as peaked as it can be or even a click more, and that's how I launch. Been that way and consistent since I built it.

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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2020, 05:43:15 PM »
Hello My son Otto runs a inboard tank on his semi scale profile stunter with R/C gear for throttle (for C/L scale flights) in the normal tank position outboard . We set it in a hard two stroke before launch and he gets a nice 4/2 break in the air but you have to forget normal needle settings and remember not to richen it up to the normal setting you would use as one is inclined to with a outboard tank setup (which is ingrained in my brain after 40 years flying).

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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2020, 06:01:28 PM »
I have a Shark 402 with an LA 25.  The Hayes 4 oz. tank is mounted on the inside of the fuselage.  It starts and runs totally wound out.  However, after it takes off and goes for about half a circle, it slows down and runs slow as if rich. 

Any ideas?

   That's what happens for a non-uniflow tank mounted inboard. It takes off, and the fuel delivery pressure goes up, making it go rich. Note also that this adds some stability to the mixture control, in that the faster it goes, the richer it gets, so there is a (weak) speed control aspect to it.

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« Last Edit: July 20, 2020, 08:09:34 PM by Brett Buck »

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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2020, 06:25:17 PM »
I flew an ARF Flite Streak with a Saito 30. Since the engine was heavy, the nose had to be shortened and the tank mounted inboard. I would launch it slightly rich, and when it went into maneuvers it leaned it out perfectly! I called it the 4/8 break.

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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2020, 09:19:18 PM »
Larry

An inquiring mind here. I've got a Saito 30 BN and plans for the Flite Streak. Sounds like a neat and atypical  configuration. Glad to hear it performs well.

Questions: Would a standard, rectangular clunk tank mounted flat against the fuse work for this? Muffler pressure?

Thanks.

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Re: Inboard mounted tanks
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2020, 09:22:22 PM »
It was a clunk tank and worked perfectly. Have fun.  H^^

Don’t recall if I used muffler pressure, but probably did if available. Why not?
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