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Offline Terry Bolin

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Fuel tank!
« on: April 16, 2007, 02:50:15 PM »
I don't want to cause Randy or anyone else to have a tic or stroke but,
Why wouldn't  hooking both top and bottom vents on a tank to a TEE and then to the muffler pressure nipple not work the same as a uni-flow system? would it give a more consistant run start to finish???? Just lookin for your experience!
Thanks for your time!
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Re: Fuel tank!
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 05:48:27 PM »
Terry,

Interesting thought! I presume you refer to the "traditional" over-and-under vented type of tank? I'll go with that presumption, for now...

It shouldn't be necessary to connect to both vent tubes. Just cap the filler tube. The overflow tube should be sufficient.  It is the first one to "uncover" into "air" space in the tank as fuel is used up. And it isn't much later in the flight that the other tube also uncovers into air space - i.e., is no longer under the fuel surface inside the tank.

That is useful since there may be a stand-pipe pressure* in, say the uniflow, vent tube that leads to a pulsing and bubbles from muffler pressurizing the tank through it. I've had some engines and planes where muffler pressure to the uniflow tip didn't run well, but switching to the overflow vent did run very well.

* - Liquids seek the same level in an open tube partially submerged in a container, as the rest of the liquid. With the angles of the loads on the fuel in flight, the 'fuel surface' tries to climb quite a bit up the uniflow vent tube. Outside air pressure, whether atmospheric, ram air, or muffler pressure, has to push past the fuel 'standing' in the uniflow tube to be released inside to replace the fuel the engine draws out. Glow engines don't much mind any bubbling that results, except, as mentioned, I've had a few that worked better with pressure to the tube that didn't end under the fuel surface. Diesels are more finicky, with their low vapor pressure, the heat and vibration - they will squirt fuel out a uniflow vent!

The reason that the muffler pressure works and a single vented - free vented - tank doesn't is that the pressure compensates for the change in fuel "head"  - the height above the fuel pickup tube, under the load angles and conditions in flight. That height change would otherwise make a lot of difference in the engine run from tank full to empty.
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Re: Fuel tank!
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 07:05:35 PM »
A friend getting back into the hobby made a beautiful uniflow tank under my guidance.  Did not work worth a darn.  He had left the original vents in place, capped off while running uniflow.  He ended up doing the tee to the muffler and a line to both original vents and the uniflow plugged.  It ran fine.  If I plumbed one of my tanks that way, my engine would refuse even to start.   ::)

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Re: Fuel tank!
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2007, 06:40:16 AM »
Well, that's quite a spectrum of results. I guess it is just a matter of tring the pressure on my set up. The problem that I am trying to solve is: In order to get a crisp 4-2-4 run, the needle setting is too lean the last 1/4 of the flite so I want to try and resolve that type of run. Thanks every one.
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Re: Fuel tank!
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2007, 11:59:34 PM »
I just set my LA 46 on my profile Cardinal with muffler preasure. It is regular uniflow tank. muffler hooked to uniflow tube and overflow plugged. This setup works very good. Nice 2-4 break and run is always the same, that is after I got my tank straightend out. Some of new tanks do not have uniflow tube sodered in correctly, but running pressure will really help this.

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