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FP &LA venturi's
« on: February 01, 2013, 04:37:05 PM »
Sorry in advance I know this has been beaten to death but I could not find what I was looking for. Let me know if I am off base here. On the fp 40 & LA 46 Use the large venturi that Tower sells with a ST nva. Or the smaller OS FP 25 venturi with the stock nva in the normal spot. Where I am confused is the 25 venturi OD is quite a bit smaller than the 40-46 venturi OD. Does the O ring, seal up the venturi and keep it from being sloppy? Thanks Rick
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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 04:59:40 PM »
You know, I'm going to "take a ride" here 'cause I've been wondering about the same issue...

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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 06:25:20 PM »
I have switched one .46LA to a .25LA venturi.  I have not seen a problem with the fit.

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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 07:23:51 PM »
The O.D. of the venturis is the same on the bottom half which fits into the case on all three sizes of std. OS LA/FP venturis. The I.D and the upper half dimensions are not all identical.
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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 07:40:39 PM »
the  fix is to call Randy Smith or Jim Lee for the right venturi's
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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 07:58:40 PM »
OK I am starting to get it ( I think). Tower says fp,la 20-25 venturi is 8mm OD-6mm ID. And 40-46 fp,la venturi is 10mm OD-7mm ID. I assumed this was correct. Then after reptoid's post
 
The O.D. of the venturis is the same on the bottom half which fits into the case on all three sizes of std. OS LA/FP venturis. The I.D and the upper half dimensions are not all identical.
I checked my 25's & 40's and spot on.  So is the 25 venturi with the os nva a good start on the fp&la 40s? And la46 with the large venturi a good starting point? Thanks Rick
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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 09:03:05 PM »
There's really no "one correct answer" to your question as the venturi size that's optimum will vary with: size and weight of airplane, altitude density in your area, propeller choice, style of run you prefer(4-2-4, 2-4, wet 2),  how much nitro you run, type of muffler, and head clearence or compression ratio. The 40 with the FP 25 (6mm) venturi & OS NV should be in the ballpark for starters assuming the variables above are reasonable. Test fly and maybe try a couple of props that you know folks in your area have good luck with ( most here in So-Cal are using something between 10.5x4.5 and 11.5 x 4 in a 4-2 with 10% nitro). Going to a larger venturi will: increase the RPM, cause an earlier and harder break, and consume more fuel.
      If you need to increase the venturi ID, steps of .010" will make a noticeable change so you can ream the small one in small steps or order custom ID venturis from Randy, Jim Lee, or Stuka, etc.
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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2013, 09:06:19 PM »
The venturis all fit the case. At least in my experience. FP 20,25,35,40, LA 25,40,46. For the 25s and FP20s, start with the small diameter. I have run FP35s and 40s and LA46s with the small and the large venturis. All depends on application. I use the venturis like a fixed throttle. Smaller venturi to slow model down, or reduce power. In the case of the LA46 I have used the smaller diameter, the 25 sized venturi, to decrease fuel consumption. It is possible to use the large venturi and run LA46s sloppy rich. In some situations, depending upon the plane, a very consistent run. Barely breaks lean at the top of the vertical eight and in the overhead eight. Fuel consumption, at least with a 12.25x3.75 apc is heavy. Sucked nearly all of six ounces when I did this. Hard to fit 6 ounces in some planes. Which is why I went to the small, 25 sized venturi. Engine ran somewhat leaner, but useful. Jim Lee sells nylon(?) ventiuris in intermediate sizes. The small FP ventri is around .256" the large around .283". I like .273" for FP40s and Tower 40s. In Twister/Magician sized planes. Works well with the 10.5x4.5 apc magic prop. If you experience issues with runaway in FP40s or Tower40s, I would make sure that the muffler is flowing well, then I'd size down the venturi. Jim Lee's venturis are also cheap. $8. I have only used stock OS needle valves, available from Tower. The FP25,35,40, all use the same OS needle valve. These will fit the stock LA 25,40,46 case. A Supertigre needle valve, or equivalent, is of a larger diameter. Cutting down the choke area. Reducing the flow of a given venturi. Compensate for this.
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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 04:16:17 PM »
First the question about OD.

The spigots on both factory venturis are the same OD. The flange is also the same so the venturis fit in crankcases from the FP 20 to the LA 46 and the O-ring seals. The OD of the part that sticks out above the crankcase is different and I suspect that this is what Tower refer to. The step from the flange to the body of the venturi above the crankcase is barely there—perhaps 0.5mm—on the large venturi but is at least 1mm on the small one.

This is a way to identify the different factory venturis.

As for the ID, experiences vary. Some have enjoyed success running FP 35s and FP 40s with the FP 20/25 venturi. My LA 46 is happiest with the large factory venturi but it's flying a 58oz model.

We have people at our club happy with the results they are getting using the small venturi that used to come with the FP 35 and FP 40 in the early days on the LA 46—particularly in Vector 40s. You can make one of these by running a 17/64" drill through an FP 20/25 factory venturi.

Otherwise, talk to one of the specialists.

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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 08:17:37 PM »
This has all been a great help. I'll start small and work my way up a few thousands at a time. And definitely keep track of changes. Now I just need to figure out prop dia & pitch, wood vs apc. Tank position,style, uniflo or pressure or both, and leadout position n~  I think I'm gonna be in beginner for awhile. But thanks to my flying buddies that I can call. And all the wisdom on this site it definitely makes a huge difference. Thanks Rick
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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 10:44:58 PM »
This wasn't clear to me. What engine are you setting up? On what plane?

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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 09:05:58 PM »
2 FP 40s. One on a Sig banshee I figure the small venturi stock nva, 11x5 zinger on uniflow. The other plane is a pathfinder. Large ventury. Uniflow, not for sure where to go after that.
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Re: FP &LA venturi's
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 09:41:50 PM »
Try a 101/2x41/2 sport apc. It'll probably work on both planes. Pathfinders are larger and much more draggy than Banshees. Use a free flowing exhaust on both setups. A tongue muffler with a lot of holes. (I know that's not precise.) Make sure that the tongue muffler does not block the exhaust port. What fuel. Fuel should be 22%oil, 50/50, 5% or 10% nitro. Fuel needs to be of high quality, high quality components for the mix, mix needs to be made by volume not weight. We use Powermaster almost exclusively. If you have supplier, I recommend that brand. What plug. Need a hot plug. Enya #3 or Thunderbolt RC is standard for our club. An 11x5 sounds like too much prop. You want the engine to be run in a comfort zone. On the fast side. Over propping can lead to over heating. On Pathfinder sized plane I usually go to an LA46, which can loaf around pulling that weight and drag. But I have seen 40s work with this plane. Definitely a large venturi and free flowing exhaust for a Pathfinder. This will help cool the engine and give you more power. Use aluminum pads under the engine. Even steel pads, if vibration issues are encountered. On 40 sized profiles I use 1/8 five ply and run the maple engine mounts back towards the leading edge of the wing. Also I make them of unequal length. An extra head gasket or two will soften the break. It's possible to run these engines in a rich to mid 2-stroke, breaking into a leaner 2-stroke. Don't sweat it if your engine runs a constant 2-stroke and doesn't break much. If the engine run is even and predictable. The plane will work. Trying to get these engines to run a rich 4 stroke breaking into a 2 stroke causes frustration and delusion. Even mental illness.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 12:09:10 AM by Dennis Moritz »


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