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Offline Andrew Hathaway

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Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« on: October 06, 2014, 03:16:18 PM »
I was digging through my box of Fox 35s this morning, and I noticed that one of them has a narrower exhaust port than usual.  I checked 5 other Fox 35s, and several loose liners in my junk parts, and all had a wider exhaust port.  The other Foxes I compared span from the "sandcast" era up to the 40th anniversary models.  The engine with the narrow exhaust is an early 70's example, matte gray case, undrilled muffler mount bosses above and below the exhaust stack.  Just to be sure, I pulled the head and looked, the cylinder is installed correctly, the higher port is lined up with the exhaust stack.  Up until a couple weeks ago, it was on a plane, and seemed to run fine aside from an incredible Fox burp on the outside maneuvers.  I'm wondering if someone at the Fox factory was having an off day, or if there's another reason this engine is different from the rest.

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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2014, 04:34:22 PM »
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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2014, 05:40:09 PM »
I assume you are talking about the port in the liner. I have one from about 66 or 67 that has the narrow exhaust in the liner. It's on my Bislob and still runs great.
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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2014, 06:19:19 PM »
 Friend had a Fox stunt 35 with two bypass ports rather than bypass and exhaust.  It did not run very well. 

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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2014, 06:58:25 PM »
Yep, the port in the liner is maybe 1/4" narrower than normal.  From looking at my other liners, the intake port in the liner is normally narrow, which is why I thought maybe it was 180* out, but it's just an intake sized port at the normal height for the exhaust.  The intake port opposite the narrow exhaust port, is the normal size.  Makes me wonder if someone goofed when cutting the liner, or if Fox made them with narrow ports for awhile intentionally.  Either way, it seems to run decent.  I'll probably just plug the bypass and put it back into service.

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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2014, 08:32:29 PM »
The one I have I always thought that it was the one Fox that did not burp so bad, and I thought it was because of the narrow exhaust port. I had it on a Ringmaster with a hot Thunderbolt RC long plug and it never burped like my others. It may be some other reason though.

           OK Marvin, It's time for your expertise here as I am sure you know all about this. As far as I know my 60's motor is the only one I have with the narrow port.
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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2014, 10:49:17 AM »
The burp on this one is exceptionally bad.  I'm sure part of it was tank height as it still burped when I changed to a different Fox 35 with the bypass plugged.  I'm down to two Fox 35 planes at the moment, and one is a BiSlob so I haven't had a chance to run it on anything else.

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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2014, 06:01:20 PM »
I get a big kick from all these "Fox" sad stories.

Why not just ....oh well, you know the rest.

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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2014, 06:27:03 PM »
No sadness here.  I'm pretty sure I paid less than $20 for the engine on Ebay and it's nicely broke in with great compression and seems to run fine in spite of the narrow exhaust port.  Out of about 25 Fox 35s, only one has what appears to be a manufacturing goof and it still runs good.  The only trouble is I can't build planes as quickly as I can accumulate engines. 

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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2014, 08:46:03 PM »
Story I heard, from someone that worked there, was Duke kicked allot of stuff out the door that wasn't made right.
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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2014, 12:46:08 PM »
See if you can get a peek at the exhaust port of a RO-Jett. Shockingly small exhaust port. I'd bet that Duke knew by the middle 1960's that a big exhaust port was not important. An undersized exhaust port on a Fox .35 might actually be a good thing, because the liners are so darned thin. If you find a cylinder with a smaller than intended intake port, you'll have a real weak running engine. I doubt Duke would have shipped that.

I suspect that the Fox .29 Stunt is a nicer (stunt) engine than the .35 version, because the liner is so much thicker. But it would probably need a bigger popsicle stick in the bypass to fix the flow problem causing the burp. Anybody flying a Fox .29 Stunt? It should burp worse than the .35, because bypass flow should be even slower.  H^^ Steve
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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2014, 01:54:27 PM »
Steve,

The case for the .29 is identical to the .35, the thicker cylinder is a result of less material being removed due to smaller displacement.

I'd imagine if it was prone to burping then the burp would be the same as the .35 counterparts

Ron


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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2014, 06:28:21 PM »
Steve,

The case for the .29 is identical to the .35, the thicker cylinder is a result of less material being removed due to smaller displacement.

I'd imagine if it was prone to burping then the burp would be the same as the .35 counterparts

Ron



I had one.  It wanted to run fast(FF engine) and did not burp noticeably.  It's long gone, many moves ago.

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Re: Fox 35 - narrow exhaust port
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2014, 10:33:19 PM »
Steve,

The case for the .29 is identical to the .35, the thicker cylinder is a result of less material being removed due to smaller displacement.

I'd imagine if it was prone to burping then the burp would be the same as the .35 counterparts

Ron

Yep, that's exactly the point. Same bypass, but smaller pump pulling fuel/air through, so even lower flow velocity, given the same rpm. So, the Fox .29 Stunt should burp worse than the Fox .35 Stunt.  H^^ Steve

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