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Offline GERALD WIMMER

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Fox 35 Stunt and strange fuel
« on: April 25, 2025, 06:30:41 AM »
Hello

We all know Duke Fox recommended his Super Fuel with 28% caster and 5% nitro and that 10x6 prop and gives a bit under .45bhp at 11000rpm.
I did see this on Sceptreflight engine test site from Aeromodeller test from August 1950, that Lawrence Sparey  uses 33% caster, 25% Methanol and 42 Nitro to get .623 bhp at 15000rpm .
https://sceptreflight.com/Model%20Engine%20Tests/Fox%2035%20%281950%29.html

What are the Fox 35 'stunt' racing guys using I wonder?

Personally I am guilty of running the old Fox 35's on vintage combat models with a 9x6 my standard brew of 25% mixed oil (20 caster rest synthetic) and 10 nitro when I don't have that special Fox fuel at hand and they survive okay. 

Regards Gerald

Offline Dan McEntee

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Re: Fox 35 Stunt and strange fuel
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2025, 09:44:57 AM »
   Man!! That's a lot of nitro for a sintered iron piston and the rods of that period!!  When our club set up the Fox Speed event, the standard 5% Superfuel with the 29% all castor oil content was specified just to keep things simple and most guys operating them have that or similar fuel, and most clubs provide the fuel and a way to level the playing field. I think the guys putting on the Fox team racing events do similarly.  I have run as much as 15% nitro in my Fox .35s depending on conditions and altitude. And you are not the only one that has left the Fox fuel jug at home and then used what ever fuel you had on hand to get a couple of flights on an OTS model. If the the engine has significant time accumulated on it and is well broken in, I do not believe that you significantly hurt anything in the engine. I have done it and still have to use several paper towels to wipe to castor oil off the airplane afterwards. Just don't get below 20% total oil.
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Re: Fox 35 Stunt and strange fuel
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2025, 09:15:16 PM »
Then the Master with the pipe and the red airplane took over and showed how he won the World Championship. Bob Gieseke scored a 563 to annex his third Nationals victory. His Fox 35 sounded as if it had 400 HP when it counted. Even though, in his words, "This is two real pressure flights in two weeks - that's pretty tough ." Bob showed himself to be the champion he is as he completed the "Triple Crown of Stunt Flying."

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Re: Fox 35 Stunt and strange fuel
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2025, 10:21:45 PM »
Spec fuel for foxberg racing (with a Fox 35) has always been 10% nitro 20% castor 70% alky in my neck of the woods.

For my Fox 35 free flight builds I would use 25 nitro, 25 castor, 50 alky but they only run for a short time during the climb out.

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Re: Fox 35 Stunt and strange fuel
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2025, 07:36:21 PM »
1958 NATS Stunt winner Bob Randall admitted years later to running 25% nitro in his Fox .35 Stunt (Gobbleswantz). He also admitted to having a bag full of Fox .35 Stunt run-in and ready to swap in when needed. I still have a hard time believing that he used a 10-6 Top Flite NYLON prop, as was advertised. What a crappy propeller!  n~ Steve
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Re: Fox 35 Stunt and strange fuel
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2025, 11:42:34 PM »
1958 NATS Stunt winner Bob Randall admitted years later to running 25% nitro in his Fox .35 Stunt (Gobbleswantz). He also admitted to having a bag full of Fox .35 Stunt run-in and ready to swap in when needed. I still have a hard time believing that he used a 10-6 Top Flite NYLON prop, as was advertised. What a crappy propeller!  n~ Steve

     They weren't that bad when new. Otherwise, unlike now, people at the time were prone to keeping secrets, and running large amounts of nitro was one of those secrets. That naturally also requires you to carry around multiple engines, since they couldn't take 20-25-30% nitro for long.

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