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Offline RknRusty

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Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« on: December 05, 2014, 10:52:14 PM »
I prefer to drain my sub-C NiCd igniters before recharging. But now that cold weather is here I like a full charge every time I hit the field, so sometimes I top them off. Can you really do any damage leaving one on the little 125ma charger for 10-12 hours if it is only depleted by 30% or so? I can never feel any warmth at all when they've been on the charger, even when I recharge a fully drained one for 14 hours.
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2014, 01:45:20 AM »
You reduce the life of the battery somewhat.

What's way better than keeping the battery topped up is to keep it warm.  I probably remember to charge my igniter about once every month or so.  When it's cold out I just put it in my pants pocket for the flying session.  I usually get one-flip starts, even below freezing, which is far better than I get with a freshly charged but cold battery.
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2014, 06:52:47 AM »
... When it's cold out I just put it in my pants pocket for the flying session....
I do too.
The cold fuel might be part of my problem. Might find a way to keep it warm. Like a small cooler with a couple of hand warmers in it. I always keep some of those in my car's toolbox.
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2014, 09:36:14 AM »
How cold is cold, where you live?  Around here, just keeping the igniter warm works down to around 40 or 50 degrees.  Below that, a few drops of Zippo lighter fluid in the venturi usually convinces the engine to start.
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2014, 10:36:30 AM »
How cold is cold, where you live?  Around here, just keeping the igniter warm works down to around 40 or 50 degrees.  Below that, a few drops of Zippo lighter fluid in the venturi usually convinces the engine to start.
Tim, it's not cold by serious cold standards. It's just been clammy gray days threatening rain in the low 40s, and maybe low 50s by the time we finish lunch and burn a couple more circles before packing out. The Philly guys and the Poppers would laugh at us for whining about it.

It sure has given us hell cranking though. We fly 35-50 something engines. The Fox 35 is the only cooperative one except for the first cold start. I'm also still learning to deal with an inverted 46fx on the Magnum. We're using a little Ronsonol too. I'm sure glad I bought that starter to give my shoulder a rest. It's made our last few flying days much easier.
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2014, 10:54:33 AM »
It sure has given us hell cranking though. We fly 35-50 something engines. The Fox 35 is the only cooperative one except for the first cold start. I'm also still learning to deal with an inverted 46fx on the Magnum. We're using a little Ronsonol too. I'm sure glad I bought that starter to give my shoulder a rest. It's made our last few flying days much easier.

I'm kind of a one-flip snob.  I caught the disease from a fellow Fireballs member at a contest.  Someone was out on the circle, flipping their plane with increasing desperation.  Richard leaned over and said "that guy isn't a member of our club".  That motivated me to develop the one-flip skill.

At least on OS engines, if you prime the engine right (by counting prop turns to draw in fuel, or by counting drops of fuel from a priming bulb), then flip the prop briskly about a dozen times to distribute the fuel, you can put the starter on and get a start in just one flip about 90% of the time.  As the weather gets cooler you first adjust the amount of prime up, and then you put in a few drops of "Mother's Little Helper".

The two tricks that I know of are that (a) you have to learn how each engine wants to be primed, and (b) you need to flip the prop several times to distribute the fuel/air mixture.  Some engines want to be choked and slowly pulled through, some engines want to be choked and smartly flipped (ringed engines don't seem to want to pull fuel unless they're moving smartly), and some engines just want drips from a bottle.  Each engine wants its own amount of prime, so you have to get used to it.

Granted, I have been stuck out in the field flipping and flipping and flipping -- but not usually, and I think it adds a bit of elan during a contest to just signal the judges, then casually flip the prop once and go fly.
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2014, 12:09:07 PM »
Thanks for the cranking tips. That's pretty much the routine I use, especially after reading Derek Barry's thread on it last year some time. But I haven't made much adjustment for the weather and need to pay closer attention to each engines own needs. Except for the Yak, I'm flying different planes now than I was back in the warm days that lasted through October. And yeah, the last thing I want is to look like a moron in front of the judges. And burn too much time looking like one.
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2014, 12:18:24 PM »
Getting back to subject: The NiCd chemistry dictates that you can leave them on charge indefinitely, if the charge rate is C/10 or less.

The old bugaboo about "memory" is largely history.  NiCd has improved so that is no longer an issue.

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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2014, 01:50:23 PM »
Getting back to subject: The NiCd chemistry dictates that you can leave them on charge indefinitely, if the charge rate is C/10 or less.

The old bugaboo about "memory" is largely history.  NiCd has improved so that is no longer an issue.

Floyd
And I believe that "C/10 or less" means this tiny charger that came with the igniter will never damage my battery even in a top-off cycle if I forget about it for a day. Thanks Floyd.
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2014, 12:10:23 AM »
One thing about Tim's tip...DO NOT put your glow ignitor into your pocket with any coins unless you put the little red rubber bootie over the business end. No, not me. Pete Peterson found this out...gave himself a "hot pocket".  #^ Steve
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Re: Topping off the charge on NiCd sub-C glow igniters
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2014, 03:34:46 AM »
One thing about Tim's tip...DO NOT put your glow ignitor into your pocket with any coins unless you put the little red rubber bootie over the business end. No, not me. Pete Peterson found this out...gave himself a "hot pocket".  #^ Steve
Good advice. I make it a habit to leave my pocket knife and any potential short circuits in the flight box before I load my pocket with a battery. That would be an unpleasant accident.
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