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Offline EF

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FOX .35
« on: October 27, 2007, 02:23:22 AM »
I'm curious about this engine. I noticed it is still being produced and sold, alongside other much more modern CL engines such as OS LA and Supertigre.

My only experience with a FOX was many years ago, a FOX 36 RC where I locked the carb open and flew with it, and it was OK.

What is so special about it, would I be wise investing in it as opposed to other engines (apart from my very soft spot for nostalgia)?
I'm looking at some very old stunt model plans I'd like to build, they are .35 powered models and this size engine is mentioned on the plans.
Erez

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2007, 05:52:15 AM »
With all due respect to Bigiron, I think there are better nostalgia .35 engines than Foxes available. A good Fox .35 is a great engine... the problem seems to be sorting through enough of them to find the nugget in the pile. It seems to be the norm to add a stuffer backplate and a hemi-head and if you have any money left, buy a balanced crankshaft to get the desired performance. At his point you now have a $140.00 Fox.

IMHO,  better choices are OS Max .35s or Enya .35 (5224). Smoother with more power than a stock Fox. Enya's don't seem to ever wear out.

Let the flames begin.

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2007, 08:11:56 AM »
Hey EF, great question. You will be getting a lot of heart felt advice here but the question has little to do with the Fox35 and it's technical merits. We have as a society become obsessed with "optimization". What we do (flying model airplanes) is a hobby. The question is what do you want to do? There are a lot of engines that will fill your needs from a performance pov but which one fills your need as a modeller?

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2007, 08:28:00 AM »
Thanks for your responses.

My aim is to get back into some CL flying, after being away from it, flying RC for some 30 years.
The idea is to fly CL in parallel to flying RC, and mainly for sport and probably hardly any competition, if at all.

Are there any "special" requirements e.g. some special fuel for the Fox?
Erez

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2007, 09:01:47 AM »
EF, you need a 5 to 10% nitro fuel with 29% castor oil, Fox Super Fuel  or its equivlent, I personely do not use any synthetics in any thing..Regards, Phil

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2007, 09:39:23 AM »
Fuel wise - Powermaster makes a GMA blend that's 29% all castor.  A good choice and readily available.  Set up tank old style, ie:suction.  Every one I have set up on uniflow goes lean during the flight.  (my experience only, others may differ)  Sure there are more competitive, powerful etc engines out there but Fox 35's still work well and you can't beat the built in nostalgia factor. 8)
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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2007, 10:05:27 AM »
i am also starting back into c/l flying after a long layoff.  the fox 35 is a great engine, inexpensive, and reliable.  i have a number of them and that's what i am using on the vintage stunt planes i have built and am building.  and you must use 29% castor oil and 5 to 10% nitro  fuel.  fox superfuel is available from fox and i think at a good price.  i ordered and received 4 gal for 20 per gal + 20 shipping.
i flew in the late 50s and early 60s.  at retirement age, i'm getting back into it.
good luck, marv
p.s. the fox works great on a nobler if you keep the weight down. that is what i flew in the early 60s.   i just completed an arf with a fox 35 that weights 35 oz.  will fly it soon.

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2007, 10:23:56 AM »
The Fox gets a lot of bad press about special needs, finicky setup, etc but if you look at the special needs, and finicky setup of any of it's comparable competitors suddenly it doesn't look so bad.  The only bad aspect of the Fox is that the power available is limited.  As long as it's on a plane about the size of a Nobler or smaller and fairly light, it's content.  It requires "special" fuel (5 or 10% nitro, 25-30% all castor), and they do take a while to break in.  Pretty easy issues to work around.  All the hop up parts are not needed.  They give a minimal improvement but the engine runs fine without them.  Once in a while it's possible to get a bad Fox, but the majority work fine as long as you use a proper fuel, and break it in correctly.  They are still available new, but there's also a never ending stream of Fox 35's through ebay.  Many have never been mounted, or run.  Later engines with muffler lugs usually bring $40-50, ones without can often go for under $20.


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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2007, 10:51:49 AM »
I'm having problems with my Fox 35.  I bought four of them on sale for $12.95 in 1977 and took up flying stunt.  The one I am flying now surely has a couple of thousand flights on it.  It has excellent compression.  I lapped the piston and liner on those foxes before I ran them.  It has a full size ST NVA, and a stuffer backplate.  I took the hemihead off and put a stock head on.  I'm running a Taipan 11 x 5 and Sig Champion 10% 20% oil 50-50. 

My problem is that with is with it running the way I have always run Foxes, on 62 ft lines, I am getting 4.8 second laps.  I am kind of dithering around as to what to do to slow it down a little.  I'm going to fiddle with props.  I really don't want to go to longer lines. I suppose I could get some 5% fuel.  I really don't want to change fuel because I don't have a local supply of Sig fuel.  I've put about 50 flights on the engine with the 10% Sig, and the engine seems happy with it. I also have a Fox 25 which I may try out.   

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2007, 02:40:57 PM »
Try 10-5 or 10-6 props and see previous posts regarding fuel.  20% castor/synth blend is a  n1 for fox 35s.
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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2007, 03:55:33 PM »
This is very interesting!
A point about service though, since I live in Israel any parts or service for the Fox would require to mail order, no problem but an excellent service point for OS is about 20 minutes away from home (my LHS), but then again, I don't recall needing so much service for my engines...
And also the fuel issue - the Fox would mean needing a different fuel than all my other models, while I like the idea of "one fuel flies all", it really means possibly mixing my own for it (unless my LHS will do it for me, they already mix me a special fuel for my ASP engines) so, against all logic and reason I may eventually select the Fox  ;D
Erez

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2007, 08:52:31 PM »
Hi EZ,

The Fox 35 became "THE" stunt engine mainly after George Aldrich became famous with his 4-2 run in his Nobler.  The Fox 35 set the standard for the 4-2 run.

The power deal is largely relative.  The first "foam wing" model to win the US National Championship in stunt was Bob Lampione's Sabre in 1969.  It used a Fox 35 and was in the 50 oz. range.  Bob used a 10-6 Rev Up Extra Wide prop to get enough "bite".

A Fox 35 is very thin walled i the crankcase (very light!) and doesn't cool itself well which necessitates the heavy castor oil content.  The Fox 35 also likes high doses of nitro.  15% is just fine to run in them as it also helps to cool the engine in a round about way.

Thousands of stunt contests have been won with Fox 35s and they still win.  Not the strongest, but still able to do a very good job.
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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2007, 12:05:21 PM »
Oh...high nitro and castor oil contents equates to expensive fuel doesn't it?
Hmmm, will have to think about it...prices here are more than what you're used to in the U.S...
Erez

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2007, 12:43:53 PM »
Oh...high nitro and castor oil contents equates to expensive fuel doesn't it?
Hmmm, will have to think about it...prices here are more than what you're used to in the U.S...

Don't know about the cost of "castor oil" in Israel, but I wouldn't think it would be very high. ???

You don't *have* to use over 5% nitro.  Fox Superfuel (expressly for the Fox 35) is 5% nitro.  I don't know how well a Fox 35 runs on no nitro (FAI fuel).  But, you DO need 25% or more castor oil in your fuel.
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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2007, 02:33:14 PM »
I hope my Fox Stunt 35's don't read this or hear about me starving them of castor.  At one time all I could get was a local fuel that was all synthetic.  Then the shop started carrying SIG and Cool Power(the pink stuff).  In all that time including to present never hurt any of them as long as I remembered not to lean them out.  In fact one winter I did a flying session on one of the Fox's with some helicoptor fuel that was 30% nitro all synthetic.  Engine ran rich except for the last two laps.  Of course after the third flight you see the varnish in the oil that was on the wing.  Engine still runs great.  As with any engine, do not try to get that last little bit of rpm out of them and use a good quality fuel.  Have fun,  DOC Holliday
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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2007, 12:50:04 PM »
Hi Doc,

I am glad you have been lucky with your Fox 35s.  The very design nature of the Fox makes it want to run hot.  It is a very thin casting for the crankcase, and not designed to cool itself well at all.  The bushing, crank, and piston will not react to heat for long periods of time and not show wear or failure. 

I have heard stories of people running their Fox 35s "for years" on "no oil" and no problems.  Of course I never hear exactly how many flights they are putting on each specific engine per year or session, even.

Simple truth is, I have not heard ANY of th established Fox 35 gurus ever say a thing but that the Fox needs at least 25% castor in the fuel.  So I pass that along since they know a lot more than I do, and I like to have an engine that still runs like new after several hundred flights.  Randy has posted his "Fuels" article, and I believe him 100% when it comes to engines since his track record with engines is beyond all others right now.

No disrespect meant, just a differing opinion. :D
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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2007, 01:10:22 PM »
Cost - wise I'm not worried about the Castor oil content, it's the high nitro I don't want however, if a Fox can be run well on 5-10%, should not be a problem at all, that's what I usually use (apart from FAI fuel for my ASPs)
Erez

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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2007, 01:57:03 PM »
Cost - wise I'm not worried about the Castor oil content, it's the high nitro I don't want however, if a Fox can be run well on 5-10%, should not be a problem at all, that's what I usually use (apart from FAI fuel for my ASPs)

It will run just fine on 5%-10% nitro.
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Re: FOX .35
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2007, 02:09:30 PM »
And here's what I do.  n~

Many of you have seen my Stinger fly. It has a stock Fox .35 - Fox plug and NVA, the backplate has NEVER been off.

Since new, it has run exclusively on 10% nitro, 22%  50-50 oil. It is as tight as the day I broke it in. When I fly it in OTS, many people ask questions about reworking it, who did the work, etc. Most are surprised that it is COMPLETELY stock.

Some of you saw Dan Banjock's Ringmaster fly at Huntersville - he uses THE SAME FUEL that I do.

We both run our engines very fast, turning 9 1/2-6 APC and Master Airscrew props.

Actually, I should restate the oil content - I have switched to Brodak fuel and the total is 23% - more than enough.

Bob Z.




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