News:


  • June 02, 2024, 11:47:38 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: oil content in fuel  (Read 2143 times)

Offline Bootlegger

  • 22 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2710
oil content in fuel
« on: February 29, 2016, 10:10:01 AM »

 I have heard and read that the oil content in fuel will affect fuel economy, but I haven't seen/read what it does, is it more castor, or is it the synthetic that increases the economy?

  I hope that I have made myself clear in this question.. y1
8th Air Force Veteran
Gil Causey
AMA# 6964

Offline andy borgogna

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Ensign
  • **
  • Posts: 37
Re: oil content in fuel
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 10:22:55 AM »
My understanding is Synthetic oil is lower in viscosity, has a higher flash point (400 degrees) and it lubricates better.  But it has one big down side when it reaches the flash point synthetic oil completely vaporizes.  Leaving no lubrication for the engine this is where castor comes in, when castor reaches flash point it leaves a layer of residue on the surface of the metal that acts as a lubricant and protects the engine from metal on metal destruction.  My friend Larry Renger also tells me that castor is better at cooling, hence something you want in a Fox engine.  I will let Larry explain how that works.  For modern engines, and especially ABC, AAC, and ANC synthetic should be the majority of the lubricant at least that's how it works in the R/C world.  In the C/L world the addition of some amount of castor, and I really don't know how much is probably good for protection against a lean run where the temperature goes above flash point.

Offline Motorman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 3285
Re: oil content in fuel
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 12:14:27 PM »
All castor fuel will get more mileage.


MM

Offline Steve Helmick

  • AMA Member and supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 9956
Re: oil content in fuel
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2016, 09:06:33 PM »
The more "fuel in your fuel", the longer the engine will run on a given amount. If you just can't get in enough laps out of a tank, add some Coleman Stove & Lantern fuel. One ounce per quart will make a noticeable difference.  y1 Steve

 
"The United States has become a place where professional athletes and entertainers are mistaken for people of importance." - Robert Heinlein

In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

Offline Larry Renger

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 4002
Re: oil content in fuel
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2016, 10:07:26 PM »
Go to "Engine Setups" and do a search, there is a world of information from the real experts.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

DesignMan
 BTW, Dracula Sucks!  A closed mouth gathers no feet!

Offline BillP

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 513
Re: oil content in fuel
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2016, 07:48:05 AM »
Goran Olsson has a good write up. The chemistry is explained.
Bill P.

Offline Paul Smith

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 5810
Re: oil content in fuel
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2016, 11:09:54 AM »
Oil does not contribute energy.  Reduced oil will give more power, more speed, and more run time for the same amount of fuel.

Of course you still need to lubricate the engine.

Excess oil "bulks-up" the combustion chamber thereby increasing the compression ratio. 
If you are under-compressed to begin with extra oil helps. 
If you are border line over-compressed, the excess oil will hurt you.

Paul Smith

Online Brett Buck

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 13765
Re: oil content in fuel
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2016, 12:27:03 PM »
All castor fuel will get more mileage.

   Not necessarily. Either castor or synthetic is (or should be) an inert component. Depending on which synthetic you uses and its viscosity, you may get less oil drag or more oil drag. If you are running at the same output power level, you should be able to get more mileage with a lower-viscosity oil, or less if it is particularly heavy.

    There's a lot more going on with fuel viscosity and oil drag than most people suspect - and not just on the lubrication and heat side. For example, what controls the ability to draw fuel?  How much suction there is and *how hard it is to pull the fuel through the lines*. One of the more important discoveries in recent years is the effect that fuel viscosity has on fuel draw and subsequently the in-flight performance. Just because theres no issue drawing 8 ounces of fuel through a .020 tube *on average* doesn't mean that the transient effects are unimportant. We learned our lesson from 4-strokes, even though niether David nor I ever actually flew one seriously. Just about everything interesting we have learned about engines in the last 10 years has been in the area of fuel delivery.

     Brett

Offline BillP

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 513
Re: oil content in fuel
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2016, 02:02:56 PM »
Has anyone measured different oil percentages for different temps?  Years ago the thinking was high castor cooled engines by taking heat out the exhaust...still seems to be current thinking but...in the 1980s (my motorcycle days) I read a series of motorcycle tests where they hooked engines up to a dyno and computer to measure heat and other performance indices.  They found the higher oil content in 2 strokes and heavier viscosity in 4 strokes made air cooled engines run hotter, not cooler.  I immediately changed from 20-50 "racing" oil to the bike (Suzuki GS1100) mfgs 10-30 spec but it always made me wonder about the "truth" on glow engines. I guess a simple infrared gun might show something on glow engines?
Bill P.


Advertise Here
Tags:
 


Advertise Here