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Engine basics => Engine set up tips => Topic started by: Motorman on February 27, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
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The SS45 is schnuerle ported but ringed. The 40XZS was a schnuerle ported ABC I believe.
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You won't find anything that's lighter with more power that's useable for stunt/sport flying.
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Looking for something Enya with about the same weight as a Brodak 40 but with a little more power.
Enya SS 40 S will be heavier (cast iron piston and common parts used for larger engines) but makes more power, just ask Randy for a lightweight muffler to bring the ounces down.
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Hard to find Enya XZS is the only one that comes close. Not interchangeable with a B-40 though. Its bolt mounting pattern is the same as a Magnum/TT or AeroTiger .36. Enya SS40s, 45s, 50s are all heavier than the B-40 and have bigger cases. 8)
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What about a .45 6001? I have heard great things about the power available from these engines.
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What about a .45 6001? I have heard great things about the power available from these engines.
I have seen it, powerful stunt run in a light package, if you know how to handle ringed engines.
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Most of the barstewards are B.B. but the plain bearings lighter , were used by the Jap Team in 70's world champs .
Is pretty much a 5224 35 with a taller case , DIMENSIONALLY . Were a few variations, some as ' STUNT ' .
See the Flared intake on the photos. std. C/L has a small steel restrictor/ smaller bore , at the spraybar .
That ones on fleabay , $ 20 to start , 3 days to run , no bids so far . gimme Gimme !
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RC-MODEL-AIR-PLANE-ENGINE-ENYA-45-MODEL-6001-West-German-Carburetor-/361915395449?hash=item5443d6ad79:g:obEAAOSwXYtYtHO3
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You won't find anything that's lighter with more power that's useable for stunt/sport flying.
Aero Tiger
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Did Enya ever make a schnurlle ported ABC plain bearing 45 or something close to that?
Thanks,
MM
If Ken ever makes the 40 XZS again, its very light very powerful and dual ball bearing
Randy
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Aero Tiger
6 1/2 oz. ? In Stock?
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7.9 ounce much more power , power to weight ration, matter of fact you can also add the PA 40 Merlin, huge power to weight, a PA 40 8.2 ounce Merlin will fly a 700 sq in Impact
Randy
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Not bad, it having the bushing front case. I have several 6001s but they are all the ball bearing type. Good luck with it. Almost every part, except that front case, is available.
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Update, I bought the above engine LOL $19.95. Should be a nice project and want to see if it puts out as much power as my Tiger 46 for less weight. It might end up on a Jamison.
MM
That model will not put out ST 46 power, but the old ball bearing version will, both good engines
Randy
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The Enya 35SS/BB with R/S tongue muffler is 7.6 oz. Built on a 25 sized case it is easy to cowl in. It is ringed and performs best in wet 2. Besides who really wants Fox 35 power anymore.
Dennis
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The plain bearing 45 Model 6001 and the ball bearing 45 Model 6001 are totally different engines. Different bores, different strokes. The prop nuts, prop washers, and needle valve assemblies are the same. I believe the head screws are the the same. All of the rest of the parts are different. The 45 6001 plain bearing is a good stunt engine. It is not designed to turn up a lot of RPM. The 45 BB 6001 was designed to be an R/C engine.
The 45 plain bearing 6001 was so good that the top Japanese stunt team members got Enya to produce the plain bearing 45S 6001 engines. The 45S 6001 is based on the 45 BB 6001 crankcase with a plain bearing front housing.
Pat
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I could always take it off your hands , if its to much bother ! S?P
(https://g.io.ua/img_aa/large/1967/33/19673329.jpg)
These Blokes used em , Japs first W/C team ?? remember theyre all about 6 ft. Tall .
Think I recall 11 x 5 , from somewhere . Was written up in Aeromodeler .
Think this sucker ran one , too . O'Hara . a good Japanese name .
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Flys Very Well , if you forget the tip ribs supposed to be thinner than the root .
O Haras Version of Gieskes Version of Georges Nobler ! So you can with truth , say its a " Modified Nobler " . ;D
Ive Scaled it up for a 60 , and changed it to a Cauldron , So its a Kiwi Version of a japanese version of a Gieske version of a . . . .
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Just as an FYI, that engine is an ex-Baldy. The finned head began somewhere around late '64 to early '65 and continued until the BB in late '66 but with the black Philips head screws it's most likely to be from around '65-'66.
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I wanted to replace the original screws with socket type screws Enya 45 uses 3.5 mm screws. I wanted to replace them with 10mm socket head screws and could not find them. called a few suppliers and was told that they were special purpose screws and asking if I could buy a few was told that the minimum was far too high for me to consider it as I only needed a few of them. I did get 12 mm and made them work The backplate screws are 3.5X 8mm if memory serves me right.
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Dubro has 3.5mm X 15mm socket head, I will shorten them and dress the threads with a tiny triangle file and 10x loupe. Painstaking work but I can leave extra length for using a lock washer on the front case.
MM
I can send you 3.5x12 and 3.5X 8 for the front plate if interested.
Dennis
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According to a list of screw sizes done by Bob Allan, the early (Baldy type) 6001 used M3 x .6 screws for the head and front housing. The 45BB used M3 for the head and 3.5 for the front housing. The 40/45 6002 used M3.5 for head and housing.
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According to a list of screw sizes done by Bob Allan, the early (Baldy type) 6001 used M3 x .6 screws for the head and front housing. The 45BB used M3 for the head and 3.5 for the front housing. The 40/45 6002 used M3.5 for head and housing.
My apologies, Brian is correct the 3.5 were for the 6002.
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Think this sucker ran one , too . O'Hara . a good Japanese name .
Flys Very Well , if you forget the tip ribs supposed to be thinner than the root .
O Haras Version of Gieskes Version of Georges Nobler ! So you can with truth , say its a " Modified Nobler " . ;D
Ive Scaled it up for a 60 , and changed it to a Cauldron , So its a Kiwi Version of a japanese version of a Gieske version of a . . . .
His name is not Ohara but Hara.
Hara san has been building and improving his Super Hurricane series for a loooooong time and it is unrelated to Nobler.
Aki
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Well I've hit a bit of a snag. It seems the head bolts are somewhat odd ball in pitch, some kind of metric fine thread. 3mm x 0.6mm and 10mm long.
I knew I'd read the cure somewhere and once again it's from Bob Allan. The 3 x .6mm screws are JIS which was the earlier Japanese standard. Anyway, this is Bob's fix. Drill the holes with a 2.9mm (or #33) drill and retap to 3.5 x .6mm. No threads or parts of threads will be lost.
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Just a clarification: Picture is of a plain bearing 6001. I'm sure that it is a fine engine. There is also a BB version 6001, I know they are fine engines and have two of them. The give a great stunt run equal and similar to a good ST-46. There is also a BB 6002. That may be the one referred to in an earlier post. They are higher timed for R/C use. I have heard they can be used as C/L but are more of a 2 stroke engine rather than the 4/2/4 style run that can be had with the 6001 version. MM, good luck with the bolts, it all sounds a bit confusing. 8)
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I have quite a few of the screw kits for the Enya 29/35 5224 series engines. These also has the 3x6mm screws. Ok so they are not socket screws but JIS standard. If you want some let me know.
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Bob (shtterman on ebay) should have those screws. Here's a good source for JIS bits, if you don't already have one:
https://www.motionpro.com/product/08-0577
I have yet to have a problem with the right bit.
As noted, the plain bearing version uses a different front housing, apparently made out of unobtainium. <= I talked to Bob last week about this as I would like to shave an ounce or so off my engines. He thinks he's on the trail of a housing that will do the trick, just waiting to hear back from him.
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Do you find the JIS #1 or #2 better for our size engines?
Thanks,
MM
Edit: never mind just ordered both. Thanks for the link.
The #2 fits just about everything. The #1 only fit the long screw on the strap-on mufflers, so far.
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First entrant from Japan to these meetings was Atae Yamazaki
" The Japanese had a very professionally turned out team , all using a new variant of the Enya 45 which is lighter than the standard version , and has a plain main bearing . These engines ran faultlessly . "
Gieske Nobler 'd haver tabe ago , if it was already on your list .
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Whilst We're Still on the Subject , :-\ :-X
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From the outer reaches of the universe , this has materialised . So NOW you knoe EXACTLY what it needs !
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Well , then .
this is a real Find.
Been waiting several centuries to get THIS ! .
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