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Offline RDJeff

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Enya .15s testing
« on: May 30, 2012, 09:51:23 AM »
Hey gang.  I picked up a couple of Enya .15s on E-Bay, for use in Akromasters and similar smaller planes.  One is a -II, and the other is a -III.  I gave them both a run on the test stand the other day, just for testing purposes. I used a Master Airscrew 8x4, which is an older wide-blade style.  I was using some K&B 100 fuel that is 5% nitro and 20% castor oil.  The -II ran great, right up to 12,800 when leaned out.  The -III was a little bit harder starting, but ran up to 14,300 when leaned out.

I've already bolted the -III into a Stuntin' Junior Ringmaster that will get it's maiden flight this weekend.  This plane is now 16.9 oz., ready to fly.  How does this sound for a setup?  Do the Enyas like to be run in a wet two-cycle run, or do they have a 4-2 break.  They seemed to like running two-stroke style on the stand.

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Re: Enya .15s testing
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 10:43:55 AM »
             Hello Jeff, I spent a good long while trying to get the model III 3303 to work. Certainly sounds like your correct on fuel. A 8x4 may just heat things up through the flight. They don't like a 4-2 break although you could try. They seem to be running too rich when placed in that mode. A 7x6 may be a better prop choice. The stock muffler retains too much heat as well and has to be drilled as large as you could possibly make the hole. No muffler would be a better choice especially in the case of a Junior Ringmaster which is already nose heavy. I did have a tongue muffler work well and the tongue for a FP.40 will fit the engine close enough using the stock Enya muffler strap. What I discovered was this, when compared to the Enya IV I noticed that the IV has a larger head, there's no web casting obstructing the exhaust outlet as well. It seems to me the IV was certainly designed to be more friendlier to the control line flier. My father successfully used the Enya III in a r/c foamie which was fairly large and it did terrific. Looking back on it though, r/c fliers aren't running the engine full tilt for minutes dragging lines around. I had very inconsistent runs using a standard vent suction tank therefore I added uniflow and this helped but didn't cure the engine run at the end of the flight. It liked to really lean out then it would sag. I could never get a clean shut off and the engine would be literally sizzling at the end of the flight. I'm interested in your example and flights. Ken

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Re: Enya .15s testing
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 02:23:42 PM »
You're thinking the 8x4 might be too much prop for it, and get it too hot?  I don't want it to run away on me!  Neither of these engines has a muffler, and none of my flying sites requires one anyway, so I can dispense with that. 

Thanks, and I'll keep you posted on what I find.

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Re: Enya .15s testing
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012, 03:15:12 PM »
Those old MA props tend to load an engine up a bit - you could try something like an APC, MA Scimitar etc.  Enya have always specified an 8x5 or 8x6 for their .15s, so an 8x4 shouldn't be too much, at least in theory.  They also don't mind a bit of nitro - I normally use 10% or even 15.

I've managed to get a half-decent 4/2 run with a 15-III on a Jr Streak, with an old Tatone Peace Pipe for a muffler. Had my share of lean-outs as well though. One thing that you might try on a profile is mounting the tank on the inboard side.

Steve

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Re: Enya .15s testing
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 03:31:39 PM »
              Yes, the 8x4 is a suggested prop for the plane and yes the 8x4 will fly it. I do agree with Steve about the wide Master Airscrew as well. My reasoning for using the 7x6 was just as you said, I felt that the 8x4 was making the engine heat up.  I just liked the 7x6.The 7x6 Master Airscrew nowadays will have to be reamed to fit the shaft and having the correct reamer is in order. I just reamed with my Fox reamer from the back without coming through the front and then screwing it on.  First off an engine with less load on it will allow for easier adjustment. The JR Ring just like it's bigger brother likes to fly fast. The APC 7x6 will accomplish that. But the only true way is for you to try both props and decide. While these items may work for us, were miles apart and everything changes as does elevation. I discovered that initially I was using the OS needle spray bar for the .20-.40 size this was shrinking my choke area considerably. I went to the FP.15 spraybar and found that it was a huge difference because its narrow. This allowed the engine to run more like I wanted it to. Something else to keep in mind. These engines take foooooorever to break in. They just do and constant running them is what needs to be done. Ken
« Last Edit: May 30, 2012, 04:01:53 PM by kenneth cook »

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Re: Enya .15s testing
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 05:46:27 AM »
I picked up a couple of Enya 15 III recently. I haven't put them to use yet apart from cleaning them up and test running them. 8X4 Taipan prop 10% nitro & 20% Castor. Neither muffled.
Engine 1 - 13,800 rpm
Engine 2 - 16,800 rpm (yes 16,800)

I fly mostly largish sport models (around 40-44" span & 16-18 oz). My starting point with any 15 engine is an 8X4 prop, and it's got to be serious for me to change that. Change between Taipans and APC, it's amazing how much a different brand will make. I prefer to run them a clean 2 stroke and fly them a bit faster than most others.

A 7X6 tends to bog down in maneuvers, where an 8X4 pulls cleanly all through.

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Re: Enya .15s testing
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 04:38:14 PM »
               I'm not trying to dispute anyone else when it comes to what to use and how to use it. Others may feel that this engine runs perfectly for them.  My experience is based on using this engine extensively for two years practically every flyable weekend. I also not only used the Enya 3303 in the Jr Ring, but I also used it in the Akromaster. The 8x4 didn't give the Ring the speed it required like the thin bladed Master Airscrew did. The Taipan has been out of production for nearly 20 years . This was the last time I heard of them available http://www.modelflight.com.au/powered_propellers.htm For someone like Jeff living in Alaska, this may not be an easy find.  My son used  both of these planes and the same Enya engine while flying beginner. I used not just one of these Enya's but 3 of them. If I was to do it all over again, I would certainly opt for a LA .15. The LA isn't going to run away like the Enya does. The break in is minutes compared to months.  Parts are readily available as well. I truly believe my findings are on track with the Enya III that it's certainly an engine for the r/c crowd. I haven't used my Enya IV's but I do believe the larger head supplies better cooling and the unobstructed exhaust stack does the same. The problem with the Akromaster is that the Enya is too heavy for the Akro. I've read about builders extending the wings a rib bay to each tip. I totally agree with this as more lift would certainly help. If the stock plane isn't flying fast its stalling in the maneuvers.  I had to put 1 oz of lead on the tail. Keep in mind I had to use mufflers  on the Akro as our club rules require them. I took 1/4 oz out when I switched to the tongue. The Enya is much heavier than the Fox .15 which is what the Akro was designed for. The Jr Ringmaster needed about the same weight and I rebuilt the fuse extending it to the rear another 1 1/2". This didn't seem to improve the flying characteristics as much as I hoped but it reduced the amount of tail weight I needed. Ken
« Last Edit: June 02, 2012, 12:29:06 AM by kenneth cook »

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Re: Enya .15s testing
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 08:15:18 PM »
Ken,

I agree with you on prop selection as the Enya 3 will overheat quite easily. As you know John Recker well I'll use his experience and say that he was not too enamoured with the Enya 3 when he started. Using his Lightning Streak we first got the engine set up with a 7/4 Zinger and as he had more then enough time on it used 10/22 Powermaster fuel. Standard Enya nva was used and I also agree with you that this is slightly too thick in the spraybar.
That said after a sorting flght or two I about wore him out with continuous fly, refuel and refly. Constant flying is tough on a 69  year old guy.
Engine must be set slightly richer then your used to as it warms up it thermally advances and speeds up. Set right that works to your advantage and overheating is not a problem. you will of course not have to reset the n/v for a hot restart. I was able to get almost consistant 2/3 flip restarts on the engine from hot.
It can be a good engine but like you have said it isn't the easiest engine to grow fond of. But it still is a decent sport engine when finally broken in and is just about bullet proof.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2012, 01:11:31 AM by dennis lipsett »


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