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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2020, 11:38:09 AM »
It could be simple lathe work depending on how cleanly the original work was done.

It's best done with the motor in the hands of the person doing the mods -- you never know how much it's been butchered until you see it.

If you can, post a picture with a close-up of each side showing the lugs -- that'll at least give folks an idea of how bad it is.

If you haven't done so already, estimate the actual size of the holes by test-fitting drill bits into them -- if you have a reasonably full drill index you can get this narrowed down.
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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2020, 12:09:16 PM »
  If the holes were drilled relatively accurately, you can telescope short lengths of tubing starting with 5'53" and adding the next size until you get a good fit in the mounting holes. Add a little JB-Weld to the stack and install in the holes and let it cure. Then take a file and carefully even up the mounts top and bottom. Use the widest washers you can find under the heads of the bolt. That should hold things securely enough for your needs. If you have the actual dimensions for the hole locations, the engine can be taken apart and the holes welded up for new hole the correct size drilled in place. Filling the holes with JB-Weld, letting it cure, and drilling new holes may also work if large flat washers are used here also. So in short, there are several things that can be done, just up to what you have on hand.
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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2020, 01:20:32 PM »
I would not try to weld up the holes .nine times out of 10 u will warp the case..4 sleeves can be made in less than an hour.

if I had the case in hand I could (would ) make 4 sleeves for u to get u in the air,RAD.
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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2020, 05:37:31 PM »
  Hello AM,
  I've done the fix that Dan suggested more than once. I round file the holes & flush with acetone to remove oil , etc.
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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2020, 08:45:47 PM »
It might be OK as-is.

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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2020, 10:03:27 PM »
I would not try to weld up the holes .nine times out of 10 u will warp the case..4 sleeves can be made in less than an hour.

if I had the case in hand I could (would ) make 4 sleeves for u to get u in the air,RAD.

   
     I usually don't weld up the engine mounts unless they are broken. To fill up the holes, I would probably cut out the corners of the mounts to make it easier to weld up.  i have worked on about 15 to 20 engines in one way or another to weld in a repair, and have never had a case warp or distort in any way. This includes putting the entire left side of the case and mount on a Brodak .40 (you could look through the hole and see the crank and rod inside,) and just saved a PA.61 for Mark Hughes that had all four corners of the mounts broken off in a crash that broke the crank shaft. He's put 5 or 6 bench runs on that engine to reseat everything and showed no issues, and he hopes to put it back in a model and fly it as soon as possible. I've done Foxes, OS, Super Tigre, all with success so far. You just can NOT get in a hurry when you do this and if I think it's needed, I do take extra measures to dissipate heat and back up areas that may fall through. On the Brodak.40, I turned a steel slug that was a slip fit into the crank case all the way to the front. That gave me something to build up metal on while I closed the hole. You preheat the case slowly to get the temp up, and you have to go slowly with the TIG torch with just enough juice to burn out all the oil from the casting in the area you need to add to. It will boil and bubble a bit, then just stop and wire brush it away, then get back at it again. When it's "clean" it will just stop, then brush once more and get back to work. All this takes a fair amount of time and can't be rushed, and that is one reason why I think the case don't distort. The structure of a case has all sorts of curves and angles to it to help hold it "square" and being aluminum, dissipates heat as fast as you can put it in. If you have a steel piece in place to act as a back up for any reason, that helps a lot also, I think. I have a pet theory that all of the heat cycles that an engine goes through in it's service life normalizes the case and relieves any stresses that may be in it that could cause it to warp when heated. I got started on all of this just to see if I could do it. If a case is screwed up enough that it can't be used, you can't screw it up any more than that, correct?  So might as well take a crack at saving the engine. PA.61s don't grow on trees, ya know! I just applied the tricks of the trade I've learned over the years, and learned from any mistakes I've made. So far, I have not ruined a case yet. I do take the engines completely apart so as to not overheat any bearings and such. There isn't a engine case out there that is more flimsy than a Fox.35 stunt, and I have done several of those. It's not something I advertise, just do it for myself and friends and such. I lost the use of the welding equipment at work when I changed jobs 5 years ago, so this year decided to treat myself to one of the newer machines and try to get my hand back in it. I missed welding a LOT, no matter what it is! Everyone ought to know how to do it!
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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2020, 11:36:17 PM »
  Right ,
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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2020, 07:45:37 AM »
I would just use 3/16 hardware to mount and not worry about it....sheesh

OK if the engine was replacing one I guess sleeving is necessary
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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2020, 08:31:49 AM »
                  If you really desire, Bob Brooks 954-234-0863 has two of the cases in stock for $24.99. He's very quick in shipping and has many many Enya parts

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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2020, 08:51:51 AM »
   
     I usually don't weld up the engine mounts unless they are broken. To fill up the holes, I would probably cut out the corners of the mounts to make it easier to weld up.  i have worked on about 15 to 20 engines in one way or another to weld in a repair, and have never had a case warp or distort in any way. This includes putting the entire left side of the case and mount on a Brodak .40 (you could look through the hole and see the crank and rod inside,) and just saved a PA.61 for Mark Hughes that had all four corners of the mounts broken off in a crash that broke the crank shaft. He's put 5 or 6 bench runs on that engine to reseat everything and showed no issues, and he hopes to put it back in a model and fly it as soon as possible. I've done Foxes, OS, Super Tigre, all with success so far. You just can NOT get in a hurry when you do this and if I think it's needed, I do take extra measures to dissipate heat and back up areas that may fall through. On the Brodak.40, I turned a steel slug that was a slip fit into the crank case all the way to the front. That gave me something to build up metal on while I closed the hole. You preheat the case slowly to get the temp up, and you have to go slowly with the TIG torch with just enough juice to burn out all the oil from the casting in the area you need to add to. It will boil and bubble a bit, then just stop and wire brush it away, then get back at it again. When it's "clean" it will just stop, then brush once more and get back to work. All this takes a fair amount of time and can't be rushed, and that is one reason why I think the case don't distort. The structure of a case has all sorts of curves and angles to it to help hold it "square" and being aluminum, dissipates heat as fast as you can put it in. If you have a steel piece in place to act as a back up for any reason, that helps a lot also, I think. I have a pet theory that all of the heat cycles that an engine goes through in it's service life normalizes the case and relieves any stresses that may be in it that could cause it to warp when heated. I got started on all of this just to see if I could do it. If a case is screwed up enough that it can't be used, you can't screw it up any more than that, correct?  So might as well take a crack at saving the engine. PA.61s don't grow on trees, ya know! I just applied the tricks of the trade I've learned over the years, and learned from any mistakes I've made. So far, I have not ruined a case yet. I do take the engines completely apart so as to not overheat any bearings and such. There isn't a engine case out there that is more flimsy than a Fox.35 stunt, and I have done several of those. It's not something I advertise, just do it for myself and friends and such. I lost the use of the welding equipment at work when I changed jobs 5 years ago, so this year decided to treat myself to one of the newer machines and try to get my hand back in it. I missed welding a LOT, no matter what it is! Everyone ought to know how to do it!
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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2020, 12:14:46 PM »
Here is one of the newer venturis... I can sometime find them on eBay .. back in the day (1970) I ran a 35 with a #3 venturi... it was way too big so I used a piece of cork to restrict the intake, quite a bit... that engine was wonderful and I still have it with the cork still in there... this engine works best for stunt with the #1 venturi... you may be able to still get these from Enya directly. A

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ENYA-29-35-MODEL-5224-35-CLASSIC-C-L-VENTURI-SQUARE-ALUM-/223457481992


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Re: Enlarged Lug Bolt Holes
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2020, 05:03:29 PM »
I would take the easy way out.  Go to Home Depot for some nice 3/16" bolts.
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