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Offline Chuck Schultz

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Another dumb question?
« on: October 10, 2015, 08:19:58 AM »
OK I've read that by installing the prop backwards and running the engine lean you will slow down the speed of the plane ( for training ). Is  this true. What other suggestions for just starting to fly ( in relation to engine speed or adjustments )? LL~

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2015, 09:05:16 AM »
I don't think so. Lean runs faster, until you go too far. Then you're just damaging the engine. The prop backwards thing does slow it down. But... That's weird.
Just run a very small pitch. Like a 3 or 4 pitch. The pitch is the second number in the prop size. So a 10x3 is a 10inch prop with 3 inches of pitch.
 Longer lines will also slow you down. But above all.... You are going to crash eventually! It's part of it. Just don't let it discourage you. It happens to everyone.

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2015, 11:27:15 AM »
Chuck,
They use to do this on some 1/2 A trainers but you would be better off as Dane said to reduce the pitch (I would go only one pitch lower than the normal prop) and run the engine a little richer.

For training one of the important things is to limit the control throw so that it only move a small amount like 3/32" up or down. This way you can't over control which is what most first time flyers do. Very small elevator movements are needed to fly the plane level. You can take a couple pieces of scrap and sand a little angle into them (like training wheel on a two wheel bike) (could use an old clothes pin-clamp type, just take it apart) put one on top and one underneath clamp to the stabilizer to limit elevator movement. Once you master level flight you can remove the limiters or sand them to give more movement to fly at higher flight level and do small climbs and dives. Once comfortable with that that them off and your on your way to lean some stunts.

Best,        DennisT

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2015, 12:05:32 PM »
Great point on the elevator travel. I can post a video on how to set up a bell crank and control horn for a trainer. The pt19 in the engine starting video is in need of a control system. And I'm in need of an excuse to install it! Lol
Also, for the cox engines.... The three blade prop is good for slowing you down. I can post links for appropriate cox engine props.

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2015, 12:53:09 PM »
Great point on the elevator travel. I can post a video on how to set up a bell crank and control horn for a trainer.

  Well, I would provide a minor objection - don't directly block the controls. Slow them down instead. If you block them and leave everything else alone, you will tend towards either full up or full down, and nothing in between. Make the handle spacing smaller, or the control ratios in the airplane slower.

    Brett

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 01:42:48 PM »
Yes sir, I'm going to just use the inner hole on the BC and the outer hole on the horn. Then show how to make the push rod match up

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2015, 10:19:32 PM »

Offline Chuck Schultz

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2015, 06:34:52 AM »
Dane,
I know why there are bends at the bellcrank and horn but why the other two slight bends in the rod in your video? :!

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2015, 07:25:04 AM »
I didn't really get into that only because those are specific to that plane. The bell crank is under the wing, and the elevator is a lot higher. It's just one of those quirky things for that model on the plans

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Re: Another dumb question?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2015, 12:51:25 PM »
Great' That answers that. Thanks.


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