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Enya .35
« on: November 05, 2016, 09:04:40 AM »
I snagged this at an RC Swap Meet this morning for $10. Super compression. Any good? Oil recommendations?
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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2016, 09:51:47 AM »
Mike, except for the fact that they aren't drilled for a muffler, they are good engines.  The original strap-on mufflers are hard to find.  They are more often run in a wet 2 stroke than a classic 4-2-4 for stunt or sport flying, and they are hard to wear out.  I've attached .pdf copies of the instruction leaflet and parts list.  The venturis came in 3 sizes, the smallest being used for stunt or sport flying.  Pat King has posted drawings of the venturis, and MECOA has some Enya parts including (I think) both high and low compression heads.  Bobby Brooks (shtterman?) on eBay also has some parts.  The engine was not supplied with head shims (good design!) but the compression can be reduced if you add a shim.  The detachable front end makes disassembly and reassembly very easy.  And they do run best on Enya #3 glow plugs, which are slightly shorter than a "long" glow plug.  The Enya 35-IIIB is the same as the 35-III except it has a round venturi.

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2016, 09:56:33 AM »
Perfect, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2016, 11:27:33 AM »
Enya calls for 20% Castor for lube. I would not run less than 20% oil, not more than 25% of that(5% of total fuel) synthetic. For sport or stunt run the low compression head.

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2016, 02:18:41 PM »
I've been running 11/11 castor/synth in mine, which it seems very happy on.  The APC 10.5x4.5 is a good prop for it.

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REVIVE Re: Enya .35
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2017, 07:20:35 PM »
Greetings Gents,
I came across this thread that doubled my knowledge of the Enya .35.
I have not been able to get an Enya .35 running - it is a plain vanilla 5224 with a wide/large small (0.265 narrowest) venturi.
Orifice is pointed straight back.
Running fox fuel - 10% nitro, 29% castor.
New wedge tank.
I got one sputtering, short flight in today on the Ringmaster, so at least I flew(!)

I picked up on the fact in this thread that I have the large small venturi insert, so that may be a root of my problems.
Running an OS 8 plug, MA 10x6 prop.
Maybe the extra castor is a problem? coupled with the large venturi isn't a good setup.
Any help appreciated.

More edit - after the engine refused to give a good run last week, I disassembled the engine, cleaned up thoroughly (although it was pretty clean to begin with) and reassembled with new gaskets. That did not change the running behavior of the engine.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2017, 09:23:10 PM by Peter_Gregory »

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Re: REVIVE Re: Enya .35
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2017, 10:20:47 PM »
Greetings Gents,
I came across this thread that doubled my knowledge of the Enya .35.
I have not been able to get an Enya .35 running - it is a plain vanilla 5224 with a wide/large small (0.265 narrowest) venturi.
Orifice is pointed straight back.
Running fox fuel - 10% nitro, 29% castor.
New wedge tank.
I got one sputtering, short flight in today on the Ringmaster, so at least I flew(!)

I picked up on the fact in this thread that I have the large small venturi insert, so that may be a root of my problems.
Running an OS 8 plug, MA 10x6 prop.
Maybe the extra castor is a problem? coupled with the large venturi isn't a good setup.
Any help appreciated.

More edit - after the engine refused to give a good run last week, I disassembled the engine, cleaned up thoroughly (although it was pretty clean to begin with) and reassembled with new gaskets. That did not change the running behavior of the engine.

    Don't point the orifice in the spray bar straight back. Either straight down or slightly towards the cylinder from the 6 o'clock position, but you should not see the hole. Put it on a stand and run with a 9-4 or 9-5 prop and put some break in time on it with the suggested fuel. Enyas are known for needing a lot of break in time. I would try and not use 6" pitch on the prop either until you know you have a handle on how the engine handles. From what I have read and my little experience with them, proper break in is the key with that brand.
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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 04:19:36 AM »
Thanks, that's an interesting point and totally possible. Since I got this setup used, I assumed the engine had alread been broken in.
I'm attaching a screen shot of just the break-in info from the instructions posted in the thread, above, and I'll bring smaller props next time I get to the field.
I have to go to the field to play with this engine because it so dang loud(!) My muffled Fox's I can get away with from time to time at my house.
Even though the engine had apparently been run before, it might have only been run a small bit.
The plane, itself, had much barn rash - covering had puncture wounds - but it didn't look to have been flow, before.

I meant to say the orifice was pointed straight down in the venturi, I can see where "back" might mean pointed back at the cylinder.
Looking forward to trying these couple of things out - except we are forecast to have 3 1/2 inches of rain, today.


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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 06:41:51 AM »
My machinist made a tool to hold the engines perfectly straight and then he    drills those  little dimples out in exhaust stack out to accept a regular muffler. Works great on the 61's. Should work on the 35's too.

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2017, 09:03:48 AM »
I had trouble making one of these run until I switched to 22% oil.  Too much castor causes problems.  You got a good deal - I had to pay $15 for mine.
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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2017, 01:40:05 PM »
Yes, 29% is way too much oil for an Enya .35 5224 IMO. Try 20-23% oil with a hotter plug if you're using 10% nitro, like the OS #6 (old #A3).

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2017, 02:36:32 PM »
Thanks, all - all good info. I'm set up to be able to drill/tap the holes for the muffler - I have a tongue muffler coming in, to tap for pressure, and try that setup.
I'll let you know what happens. I should be able to get new runs in with changes this Tuesday.

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2017, 05:20:41 PM »
The hole in the spray bar wants to point straight down the bore of the venturi insert. I do not use more than 20% oil on the iron piston Enya engines until I am at 25% or higher Nitro. Then I use 25% Castor for lube. More than 25% oil is definitely too much! Many E-bay Enya engines have been run, but are not broken in. It will take about 45 minutes to an hour of running for a 5224 engine to be broken in. Run it in a wet 2 cycle and fly it to break it in. Just expect that it will quit before it finishes the tank of fuel. They take a while to break-in and forever to wear out.
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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2017, 11:54:27 AM »
I have used the5224 35's before. They run good . You can drill out the dimples on the exhaust port and the an fp 25 muffler will fit. I cut the tailpipe of the muffler and bored the hole to 3/8.   George

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 02:30:45 PM »
Since you had the engine apart, which side of the piston was the baffle on? It should be away from the exhaust outlet. Also the exhaust port on the cylinder liner should be lower than the intake port. I wonder about your needle valve, too. Does it close the fuel flow completely off when you screw it closed (gently please)? Someone might have swapped in one from an R/C carb and I believe they are shorter.

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2017, 07:44:00 PM »
Since you had the engine apart, which side of the piston was the baffle on? It should be away from the exhaust outlet. Also the exhaust port on the cylinder liner should be lower than the intake port. I wonder about your needle valve, too. Does it close the fuel flow completely off when you screw it closed (gently please)? Someone might have swapped in one from an R/C carb and I believe they are shorter.

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Actually the exhaust port on the sleeve will be higher than the intake port, not lower

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2017, 08:39:50 AM »
Oh sorry yes! Exhaust higher than intake!!

This is why Randy gets the big bucks and I don't!!

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Actually the exhaust port on the sleeve will be higher than the intake port, not lower

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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2017, 04:35:37 PM »
I've run a few of these with good results.

One thing.  They're not as strong as they look.  I blew up some using them hard in the old Slow Combat event.  Crankshaft & conrod.  That was in the plain bearing days, before they threw away The Rule Book.
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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2017, 05:57:49 PM »
Yes Paul, I remember the Enya .35 5224 being very popular in the old slow combat event. Used it myself. Here is a pic of a slow combat type powered by one of those motors in Detroit during the early 1970s. I do not recall the name of the airplane but it was used quite a bit by Al Dennison and Ron Columbo; in fact I believe this was one of Al's birds just after a match at Rouge Park. Decal near right wing tip says "Panic Button".

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Re: REVIVE Re: Enya .35
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2017, 01:58:17 PM »
Greetings Gents,
I came across this thread that doubled my knowledge of the Enya .35.
I have not been able to get an Enya .35 running - it is a plain vanilla 5224 with a wide/large small (0.265 narrowest) venturi.
Orifice is pointed straight back.
Running fox fuel - 10% nitro, 29% castor.
New wedge tank.
I got one sputtering, short flight in today on the Ringmaster, so at least I flew(!)

I picked up on the fact in this thread that I have the large small venturi insert, so that may be a root of my problems.
Running an OS 8 plug, MA 10x6 prop.
Maybe the extra castor is a problem? coupled with the large venturi isn't a good setup.
Any help appreciated.

More edit - after the engine refused to give a good run last week, I disassembled the engine, cleaned up thoroughly (although it was pretty clean to begin with) and reassembled with new gaskets. That did not change the running behavior of the engine.

Before I double checked your post text, just looking at the picture, I thought the glowplug might be a Fox product, of which I have very low regard. But if you're certain that it's an OS #8, ok. A longer glowplug is not generally a problem, as long as there is no contact with the piston crown or baffle. A short glowplug in an engine designed to use a long reach glowplug will usually run very poorly.

I noticed that the NV appears well thrashed. With a similar appearing OS NV, this can lead to significant problems needling...NV looks good, but isn't. Pointy end or spraybar is bent, I think. One click can change from much too rich to much too lean. Perhaps this is a similar problem? This is why I much prefer Randy Smith's NV Assy's. They're either (very) good or (very) obviously broken. Other than that, I don't have any significant Enya experience.  :-[ Steve
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Re: Enya .35
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2017, 01:01:02 PM »
I have 4 of them running now. Every one I bought used but bench running showed they were not broke in. For break-in, I've been running Powermaster 10/29 (because I had a gallon given to me), 2-10oz tank fulls running it so it's 4-stroking, then after a few minutes run time, pinching the fuel line to let it kick into 2-stroke for a few seconds. Then, it's 2 10oz tank fulls of Powermaster 10/22 with 3% castor added. The second 2 tanks, I let it 4 stroke a minute alternating to a wet 2 stroke for a minute by adjusting the needle valve. Now they are broke in and run fine on PM GMA 10/22, the same fuel I run in newer engines.

I'm using the .265 venturii on all 4 but going to switch one to the new aluminum version released this year. It measures .290 and comes on the new .35 5224 "Classic".
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