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Offline Bill Little

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Discovery Retro .60
« on: October 30, 2011, 03:46:35 AM »
Hi All,

For those of you who run/have run the DR .60, where do you get extra parts easilyProps, regular prop drive washer, etc..  Mine came (used, in great shape) with a large (2 1/4 metric equivalent) spinner back plate which serves as the drive washer, also.

Just have to see how this engine works (and letting my son use the PA's for the most part! ;D )

Thanks!
Bill
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Re: Discovery Retro .60
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2011, 10:35:31 AM »
  Hi Bill.

 I recommend you to contact Yuriy Yatsenko. He is sometimes a bit slow in replying but you just have to keep bombing him with emails. His contact information can be found from their website. In near future, the Discovery website will also have detailed instructions how to set up & operate Retro engines.
 On the other hand, secondary parts, like the prop driver, can easily be made by someone who can operate a lathe, maybe not worth the trouble to try to source them from Ukraine.
 From the information that you get on discussion forums, I think about 12% is good. Mostly the users with problems just try to invent their own way to operate the engine, without understanding that to get the best out of it, the only way is to follow religiously the maker's instructions to set the running parameters right.
 Unfortunately there is also some earlier series with some quality issues that can cause problems in running.
 I may be able to offer help too, please Email me or send a PM.

 Lauri

Hi Lauri,

Thanks for the Info!  I have emailed with Yuriy on several occasions.  I mainly would like to find some "usable" props and especially a prop drive plate to use a smaller spinner.  I have a laser cut short kit for the KA 10 (Dixon's Model Aviation plans) that the DR .60 is perfect for, but the spinner is not as big as the one "on" the engine.

Thanks, again!
Bill
(I will email you, thank you!)
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Re: Discovery Retro .60
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 10:54:01 AM »
On the other hand, secondary parts, like the prop driver, can easily be made by someone who can operate a lathe, maybe not worth the trouble to try to source them from Ukraine.

   This is the problem - instead of getting parts, you have someone make them? If you took a drawing to a machine shop to make such a thing, the cost would be astronomical and there would be a good chance it would be wrong. To ensure success you would need to take it to a specialty machine shop, still more expensive. A custom one-off part with the required tolerances would be, I would guess, $500 minimum, maybe a lot more depending on whether a CAD drawing and CAM machine programming was required.

   That's one reason I never got involved with the Retros, even though I am impressed with the performance. No reliable suppliers, including (no offense) the Yatsenkos themselves.

    Brett

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Re: Discovery Retro .60
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 11:05:40 AM »
 
   This is the problem - instead of getting parts, you have someone make them? If you took a drawing to a machine shop to make such a thing, the cost would be astronomical and there would be a good chance it would be wrong. To ensure success you would need to take it to a specialty machine shop, still more expensive. A custom one-off part with the required tolerances would be, I would guess, $500 minimum, maybe a lot more depending on whether a CAD drawing and CAM machine programming was required.

   That's one reason I never got involved with the Retros, even though I am impressed with the performance. No reliable suppliers, including (no offense) the Yatsenkos themselves.

    Brett

Hi Brett,

I hear you!  I do not have a lathe, nor do any of my friends here. :'(  My usage will be mainly local/regional meets, if at all.  The deal was very good and the engine is in great shape hence my experimenting here. ;D

I would just like to be able to use it! LOL!! (I only have one prop and the spinner back plate is the "prop drive washer")

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Re: Discovery Retro .60
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 11:51:58 AM »
Brett,

 You are absolutely right, professional workshops are usually exactly like that. But still, with a manual lathe, making a prop driver & cone is a rather simple job.  
 Retro's are not allways ready-to-use like PA's for example, certain things are better to be checked/corrected before use. Especially the ones that don't come with a plane, tested.
 Bill, the only recommended prop is the Discovery 13,4x6. The new ones are CNC-made and of very good quality.
 What's the problem in modifying the plane's nose so that the original spinner fits? L

Hi Lauri,

Thanks, again. ;D  I have the 13.4X5.9 and understand they also have a 13.4X6.2.  I have been told that B.Eather has made some of the props in CF, but have not seen them. ???

I can make the nose big enough to use the supplied spinner but I would like the smaller look better. ;D

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Re: Discovery Retro .60
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 12:46:17 PM »

 Bill,

 The correct pitch is about 6, depending on various things. Maybe the new ones are 5,9, I don't remember exactly. But it doesn't matter as the props can easily be tweaked to a new pitch (heat & tweak works also with wooden props if you know what you are doing).
 The old generation props were raw milled quite roughly and then the airfoils were hand finished. Because of that, the repeatability was not so good; it was allways a small catastroph if a good prop was broken. The new ones are a million times better, both in efficiency and repeatability.
 It is not recommended to use carbon props, they are too heavy for the engine.  You may even break the shaft with one. I know that Brian E. made carbon copies of Andrei's paddle-blade prop but I understand that it was made for electric power. I've tried them with Retro and I did not like them.
 If it goes too difficult otherwise, I can make you a prop driver. (if you're not in extreme hurry with it..). It can be a std one, or a monolith with spinner backplate if you send me the cone. L

Thank you very much Lauri!  I do plan on building the model for this engine and using it as much as possible. It will be a good model I am sure.  I do want to try another inline model and especially one of the European/Soviet styles.  The KA 10 might not be exact to the original, but it is very close plus I have a laser cut short kit. ;D

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Re: Discovery Retro .60
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 03:42:08 PM »
Getting back to making rather than buying, I suppose that here in Oz we are lucky enough to have a great percentage of fliers with fitting and turning skills and it is absolutely no problem for them to machine something where possible - in fact its a badge of honor to do so!

Bill, if you 'need' a custom prop drive washer and you need it done right there are guys here that live and breath this stuff.

Thanks.
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Re: Discovery Retro .60
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 10:25:39 AM »
Getting back to making rather than buying, I suppose that here in Oz we are lucky enough to have a great percentage of fliers with fitting and turning skills and it is absolutely no problem for them to machine something where possible - in fact its a badge of honor to do so!

Bill, if you 'need' a custom prop drive washer and you need it done right there are guys here that live and breath this stuff.

Thanks.

Hi Chris,
I know Dallas "Herb" Hanna real well, but I cannot bring myself to impose on him right now.  He has been so generous to me in the past and I have kinda let him down............ lost two sets of plans for a P-47 in the mail between here and there, one set sent in a tube and another sent in an envelope.  :'(

I'll see what Kaz has, what Lauri can do, etc..

Thanks!
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Re: Discovery Retro .60
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 05:03:51 PM »
Hi Chris,
I know Dallas "Herb" Hanna real well, but I cannot bring myself to impose on him right now.  He has been so generous to me in the past and I have kinda let him down............ lost two sets of plans for a P-47 in the mail between here and there, one set sent in a tube and another sent in an envelope.  :'(

I'll see what Kaz has, what Lauri can do, etc..

Thanks!
Big Bear
Yep, Dallas is the guy with the knowledge at the field I go to and he doesn't seem to mind making stuff for others as long as you actually use it.

He teaches fitting and turning at a Technical college and has been flying stunt since he was a kid.

Have another mate who simply makes the lot, engines, models, fuels etc.

The old saying goes "Give an Australian and piece of wire and they can fix anything!"

Cheers.
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