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Offline MarcusCordeiro

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OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« on: August 08, 2012, 12:22:19 PM »
Hi people

I got this OS 46 FX R/C version and was wondering if anybody has had any experiences with converting it toc/l and  might want to share a set up for starters, live venturi dia., NV, etc...
The engine seems in good condition, and I've tested it twice on the bench, but with the radio carb.
Some said to use it locking the carb wide open, but It doesn't seem the best way.
Can anybody help me? ???

Thanks a million

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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2012, 01:05:15 PM »
Marcus,

I don't have any info on your specific questions, but I am familiar with the 46FX. It is a pretty large and hefty engine, and was designed for mid-high RPM RC use. The current OS AX's developed from the FX's. I don't know if there was a problem the AX's were supposed to fix, or it was just marketing to introduce a different look...

Worked a project for a friend about a decade ago, to break-in and diesel convert OS 46FX engines. DDD conversion heads and fuel, Stock and Perry carbs tested. Larger props than engine was intended for, to use the torque promise of diesel operation and fuel.

General impression of the 46FX: Very easy to work with. Very flexible to conditions. Break-in was initally on glow fuel. As with most good OS engines, first few starts were slow in coming. After the exhaust cleaned up - early runs shed dark residue as fits polish in - economy and handling improved.

Each of the dozen or so I dealt with ran similarly, early break-in experience near identical. It was surprisingly docile with the larger props, and pretty economical as diesel-converted. Seem to remember RPM around 10,000 on 13-6 props and good throttle response.

Not much of this is directly relevant to CL conversion, CLPA in particular, but the 46FX is sturdy, consistent and easy to work with. As a glow, it would probably prefer to run faster than 9-11,000 RPM. With the best plug, fuel, prop, load and setting, it would probably be comparable to a strong .50-ish engine.

One negative might be finding replacement parts in event of wear or crash damage.

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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 01:19:58 PM »
Marcus,

I don't have any info on your specific questions, but I am familiar with the 46FX. It is a pretty large and hefty engine, and was designed for mid-high RPM RC use. The current OS AX's developed from the FX's. I don't know if there was a problem the AX's were supposed to fix, or it was just marketing to introduce a different look...

Worked a project for a friend about a decade ago, to break-in and diesel convert OS 46FX engines. DDD conversion heads and fuel, Stock and Perry carbs tested. Larger props than engine was intended for, to use the torque promise of diesel operation and fuel.

General impression of the 46FX: Very easy to work with. Very flexible to conditions. Break-in was initally on glow fuel. As with most good OS engines, first few starts were slow in coming. After the exhaust cleaned up - early runs shed dark residue as fits polish in - economy and handling improved.

Each of the dozen or so I dealt with ran similarly, early break-in experience near identical. It was surprisingly docile with the larger props, and pretty economical as diesel-converted. Seem to remember RPM around 10,000 on 13-6 props and good throttle response.

Not much of this is directly relevant to CL conversion, CLPA in particular, but the 46FX is sturdy, consistent and easy to work with. As a glow, it would probably prefer to run faster than 9-11,000 RPM. With the best plug, fuel, prop, load and setting, it would probably be comparable to a strong .50-ish engine.

One negative might be finding replacement parts in event of wear or crash damage.



Lou

Thanks for the info. It seems powerful, but "wild".
I got a venturi of 7.5mm that will fit perfectly the engine.
I have to have 2 holes drilled to it so I can install it like the rc carb and will probably use one ST NV.
That's what I got for now.
Soon I'll be able to run it again, and see what happens.
Think 7.5 will be too much??

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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2012, 02:54:18 PM »
Well

The good news is the engine behaved very nicely on the bench. It took me a while to get the parts, but it ran very well and seems very powerful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMO_dQypns0&feature=youtu.be

The bad news is the prop nut came loose at the end of the test run on the video above and the engine went warp speed.
I don't know the extension of the damage, 'cause haven't taken it apart yet, but either the bearings or the crankshaft, or worse, both, is not ok, when you tighten the nut it won't spin.... :'(

Will disasemble and check...

But it worked.

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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2012, 03:03:47 PM »
I had a 46fx do a shaft run at full power last week blew the lower end of the rod in about 10 seconds. Could not find a trace of the rod bushing, must all be in the muffler or on the circle.

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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2012, 04:09:56 PM »
I had a 46fx do a shaft run at full power last week blew the lower end of the rod in about 10 seconds. Could not find a trace of the rod bushing, must all be in the muffler or on the circle.

It looks like I was a little luckier...
The rod, piston and sleeve were undamaged. I've removed the head and the cover and everything is all right.
Now gotta get the sleeve out to revove the crankshaft and the ballbearings.
My bet? The bearings are dead.

Later 

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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2012, 05:12:16 AM »
It turned out to be a bad drive washer. It's an easy fix.
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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2012, 08:35:01 PM »
Marcus, two things here.

One, your engine test mount is verging on unsafe as it has no retention pins to stop the engine from launching forwards if those (rather small) clamps worked loose.

And two, where is the muffler mate? You aren't going to get a feel for an engine minus its compulsory muffler, so of course its going to be a bit wild.
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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 10:52:17 AM »
Marcus, two things here.

One, your engine test mount is verging on unsafe as it has no retention pins to stop the engine from launching forwards if those (rather small) clamps worked loose.

And two, where is the muffler mate? You aren't going to get a feel for an engine minus its compulsory muffler, so of course its going to be a bit wild.

Hi Chris

We run our motors in one closed area, and have never had any accidents, but I'll forward your advice to the club board. The test mount you see, I've used it like forever.
Those were the first runs, I had no idea of what would happen. Anyway, I liked it.
I'm gonna fly it soon, got one pathfinder that crashed and I've rebuilt, so it's got some little extra ounces and will make a perfect test ship for the motor.
The engine is totally docile and the ST NVA worked fine. The first time I ran it with the Rc carb, had to use a stick to flip.
The muffler I got here is very heavy, going to replace it, maybe a tongue, the engine is heavy enough.
I'll have news soon enough.
Thanks again for the advice, one can never be too safe H^^

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What happens to a os46 after a shaft run
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2012, 01:36:27 PM »
Had a shaft run on my os46fx, after about 10 sec. the rod let go.  Lots of aluminum bits in the motor, but the piston only had minor little dings in it.  It felt a bit crunchy after reassembly, but after a run of a few seconds the little dings smoothed over and the motor felt fine

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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2012, 07:37:03 PM »
Just to let you know that it took me a while to get new bolts for the head, but they're here and soon some results.
I got a bird that just needs the two-part clear on the way.
I'm curious to see what I will gey out of this engine... VD~

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Re: OS 46 FX convert to c/l
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2012, 05:12:31 PM »
I've finally had a few flights with the engine running a 2-2-2, APC 12X4,regular 10/22, tach no batteries HB~>, so it was kind of "feeling"...
The engine ran very well, was consistent and very powerful, with constant RPM thru all flight.
I'm using the stock muffler, but seriously considering "pipe-ing" it.
i'll make more tests, but if you happen to have one o these around, it's worth a shot... #^

As soon as I get the best setup, i'll get back to you.
It's been fun so far...  ;)

Marcus
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