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Title: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: frank mccune on May 11, 2021, 10:55:02 AM
       Hello All:

        Is it possible to have an engine produce a 4-2-4 run sans nitro.

         I have my thoughts, what are yours?

         Tia,

          Frank

     

       
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: Brett Buck on May 11, 2021, 11:07:18 AM
       Hello All:

        Is it possible to have an engine produce a 4-2-4 run sans nitro.
     

     

  Of course, why wouldn't it?  The best/most successful large 4-2 break engine is the Discovery-Retro, it has problems in some conditions even on 5%, and runs fine on FAI fuel.

   There is nothing terribly magical about 4-2 breaks, I am not sure why it seems so mysterious to people.

     Brett
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: frank mccune on May 11, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
     Hello Brett:

     That is what I thought.

      Thanks for the prompt answer.

      Stay well,

      Frank
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: RandySmith on May 11, 2021, 05:11:34 PM
       Hello All:

        Is it possible to have an engine produce a 4-2-4 run sans nitro.

         I have my thoughts, what are yours?

         Tia,

          Frank

     

     

Frank  you can get a  no nitro 4/2 run on many many  engines,  Fox 35   ST 46  ST60   Aero Tiger  any  PA   and  a host  of  other  engines

Randy
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: Chris Wilson on May 12, 2021, 05:08:31 AM
Petrol and spark ignition also 4/2 quite nicely, just ask some vintage flyers.
Chris.
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: Brett Buck on May 12, 2021, 08:47:05 AM
Petrol and spark ignition also 4/2 quite nicely, just ask some vintage flyers.
Chris.

   A Lawn-Boy lawn mower (the older 2-stroke version) would very happily break from a rich 2 to a lean 2 when it hit higher grass. You had to really screw up the setting to get it to misfire at no load, although you could do it, then you got a 4-2 break.  That with constant spark timing, constant fuel supply pressure, constant everything else - except for varying the load.

   QED.
   
    Brett
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: Brad LaPointe on May 12, 2021, 08:59:56 AM
Lawn Boys shake too much for a profile .

Brad
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: Brett Buck on May 12, 2021, 09:11:05 AM
Lawn Boys shake too much for a profile .

You can never have too much power!

    Brett
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: Chris Wilson on May 12, 2021, 03:18:53 PM
Would love to know if an OS Wankel engine might hold a 4/2 setting.

The free flight spark boys experienced the 4/2 probably before anyone else but had no idea what to do with it.
Go figure.
Chris.
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
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Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: frank mccune on May 13, 2021, 02:40:31 PM
      Hi Brett:

       I will bet that the sound that you hear on the Lawnboy changing rpm is due to the action of the governor!  I have never heard a Lawnboy run in a four cycle. Perhaps I did not recognize the four cycle sound.

        As I type this, I am rebuilding a 5269 and the next project is short blocking a 5029 Brickhead.  I just can not say no to a D engine.  To me they are the greatest mower ever sold.  My wife trims with a 19” 5239 and loves it!

         In any case, stay well,

          Frank McCune

       
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: Brett Buck on May 13, 2021, 04:51:49 PM
      Hi Brett:

       I will bet that the sound that you hear on the Lawnboy changing rpm is due to the action of the governor!  I have never heard a Lawnboy run in a four cycle. Perhaps I did not recognize the four cycle sound.

     

    Does the same even with the governor defeated. And I have intentionally set it super-rich to convince myself that it was just the load (45 years ago, when I still had grass to mow....).

    Brett

p.s. it's just a giant version of an Ohlsson 23 sideport - which can be induced to do the same thing on ignition.
Title: Re: 4-2-4 engine run sans nitro, possible?
Post by: RandySmith on May 16, 2021, 11:07:30 AM
   A Lawn-Boy lawn mower (the older 2-stroke version) would very happily break from a rich 2 to a lean 2 when it hit higher grass. You had to really screw up the setting to get it to misfire at no load, although you could do it, then you got a 4-2 break.  That with constant spark timing, constant fuel supply pressure, constant everything else - except for varying the load.

   QED.
   
    Brett

LOL  my  2 stroke  leaf blower  will run a  4/2,  when i adjust the carb mixture  for the different petrols.. it will go into a  4 stroke, and i can set it where it  runs  4/2 back n forth right on the  verge.  It will  kick from 4/2 when you load it with full throttle

Randy