Katy, Texas has a field and has guys flying.
I cannot help with getting a Voodoo kit.

Tomy PM sent to you

Most people gave up on the kits and just scratch-built Voodoos and such planes.

One simplifying change was to do away with the rib notching at the TE and just let the covering bridge the 1/16" imperfection. And, of course, no square spar on the centerline of the ribs. 

Another was the use of a full 1/2" center rib in lieu two ribs sandwiching the engine mount. 

Just want to thank you guys for all the info about the Voodoo....after all these years it was way more than I expected ! So glad I found this group !

Thank you for that  info.....I have already sent an email to Brodak asking them to recommend a tank that will fit inside the wing of the Voodoo. I'm pretty sure they will know which tank I need. What do you think ?

for our Combat Graffiti event, we found using a bladder or suction seems to be less trouble than a pressure tin tank. I use suction mostly and make it into a uniflow, pick up tube on the bottom of the wing, air vent on the top. Point the nose down while filling and watch for the fuel in venturi.

http://brodak.com/standard-vent-medium-wedge-fuel-tank-4-1-2-oz.html

Check this one. It's 1 inch wide

As a Demon on 60 ft lines with a OS 30 on a 9x6 works rather well , Id think the voodoo with the Fox , similarly proped would be equaly usefull .

A Fox 35 on a Goodyear would have to be intresting , too .

Not uniflow on that one. It's set up for regular suction. So so stick it in the wing, and extend the vent / overflow tubes out the top and bottom. Fill from the top, when you get over flow, put a plug in the bottom. Then stick the crankcase line on top. There's other super cool ways, but that's really easy

Moving the tank vents is one of the most basic jobs of a control line builder.  Your life in CL will be a lot better if you give up trying to live with tanks as they are and resolve to make the vents the best they can be for every project.

Soldering iron, torch, solder, flux, 1/8" brass tubing, a drill, a box of baking soda.  Not too expensive, but essential.

I play it safe and have engine feed, uniflow, muffler pressure and filler vents.  That way I can test fly and plug the ones I don't need.  Also, I position the filler vents so I can gas up in car position and not hold the model at funny angle.  To really get smart, position the filler so the overflow misses the model.

The picture is a 30-year-old model in the chop for a 5-year rehab.  The 50 cc tank worked OK, but it was a little too small.  I'm going up to 60 cc with and old Acme tank.

All of this is true. If you're plan is to pressure feed tanks, you'll want to research that aspect of modeling. It is pretty easy, and will be nice to know if you stuff tin tanks in wings.
However, for your first aircraft in like 50 years, a fox on a standard suction tank will work pretty troublefree for a lot longer than that plane will last

I flew over a dozen each VooDoos and Combat Cats.  Plus many others, including the Sneaker, Demon, Wasp, SuperStar and others.

Airframes are all over-rated.  The big thing was a quick start, and good engine run and FAST.

Tom... Thanks, I personally have not made the 5 hr trip down there yet tho I do plan to someday

I also told Tommy of that place and group. I have met Rich Stubblefield several times at other places in Texas

I also recommended Rich's brew or Brodak or Sig for fuel needs

I sent Tommy an old die crushed iron wood Goldberg single VooDoo kit..
previous, I used it to copy the parts and build with my own wood and strongly suggested he do same and later sell the dinosaur kit...but he sounds fixed to build the kit per instructions and fully relive his youth of kit built VooDoos with Modified Fox .35 stunt engines ( generally pressurized hard tank set up)

I also strongly recommend Barry Baxter Plans service for a full sized VooDoo plan and suggestion Tommy look around as there is a great collection of nostalgia and fun designs Baxter has available

I personally know what it is like to live rural with zero other CL flyers anywhere near.  Very steep re-learning curve...thankfully these web sites give a guy a fighting chance

In my youth I had learned bladder pressure so I can't offer any advice to Tommy for a good replacement of the VooDoo plans call for a modified Veco T21 tank

From my Baxter VooDoo plans the "in wing" tank area is;

LE to Spar 4"
LE inside is 3/4" tall
Rib High Point width is 1 9/32 tall
Rib tallness In front of mid chord Spar Is 1" tall
Inside Distance from Outer center rib to next rib outboard is 1 15/16th (( A 2" wide tank will NOT fit without moving the center or first outer rib)

Short of learning how to build a tank, he needs to know the most likely to fit Brodak or other source tank

Initially in suction and later to play with crankcase pressure... from a Fox .35

I don't think Tommy needs to worry about carrying enough fuel for combat competition so tank size in Oz is NOT critical IMO

I am positive my meager attempt to describe UniFlow did not sink in, but Tommy sounds to me like a smart guy who can figure out this stuff given time and experience

Example... it did not take me long to learn what UniFlo was,  and why.

But the fellows using muffler pressure on a UniFlo tank confused me as ANY pressure system to the tank (seems to me) does NOT require anything other than the pickup tube in a location to use ALL the FUEL...BUT it did occur to me that a UniFlo tank can be used in any configuration so I focused on buying this style of internal tube layout

So to recap
Tommy is a re-tread desiring to play with  a  VooDoo -powered by Fox .35 and he has CC pressure experience--currently is gaining knowledge

He currently has:
NOS--Goldberg VooDoo single Kit
Fox .35 stunt engine NIB
On the way Brodak Oriental Die cut kit
On the way Evo .36CL
He is sourcing glues, tools, and stuff to outfit a building shop

Many of you on this cold winter day...Currently 18F in Cen Texas (normal is 53F) can obviously see--- there are a LOT of other considerations and Stuff to learn or get

Lines
Handle
Props
Fuel
Glow starter
Flite kit
Tools
Glues
Covering
and the list goes on and on

A few years back many of you all helped set me up with a lot of "probability of success", ideas, suggestions, and many times the exact item or part I needed

I am trying to help Tommy best I can, but still too new to be the total GURU..

2016 was the first Voodoo I've built since 1969.
My very first was in 1966. Somewhere, I have a color print of that one.
 God, I went through many in the combat wars.
Anyway,  this one is from scratch, all cut-out by hand, including the leading edge.
Silk and Dope.
Flying it this past summer was a trip down memory lane.

EDIT: No Fox on this one.

 I would love to see more Voodoo pictures if anybody else has any !!

Here's my friend Alan's voodoo. It's 38 years old. He built it with an os .19 as a "trainer" so to speak. His kids flew it quite a bit.

Thanks for posting Dane,  That ol' warrior has seen many battles I suspect.

 As I told Charles and Fred, I'm shelving my Voodoo build for now and I'm going to build The Oriental I bought from Leester.   I want to do that build first just to get my feet wet a little on building a model again.  And especially to acclimate myself to the ultrakote coverings.  That will be a good warm-up to prepare me for the Voodoo build.  I really want the Voodoo to look especially nice.  Also the oriental will be a good plane to get back in the circle with to ease me back into flying and shake off 54 years of rust.

Hey Andre :
Yup. My first ST Ukie engine. Had a ST 2300 R/C and it was awful; to say the least. Got a lifetime supply of deadstick landings  using it on a Dave Patrick Ultimate. Reflecting back, that was good  for experience and glad I unloaded it for a YS 4 stroke.
This  St C 35 plain bearing version runs quite well on a pacifier... and it's lighter , to boot , than the ST G35 BB version, so I'm satisfied.

I assure you that it's out numbered by 20 Foxes.

L.S. saw it and winced !

Happy New Year,
Frank

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Yo, Al:

Looks like Frankie needs a little "talkin' to".  Maybe time for Tommy "Hammer Hands" Hampshire to pays him a little visit... no?

A. Mingliano

   Andre we will have to cut Frankie some slack here, he's not 18 anymore  . The power of the FOX 36X is a lot to handle  , so the smart thing for him to do is put a ST or K&B up front  .

You guys are cracking me up! I however have the first stuff of a voodoo in 2017. Think about it, guys like me have been stuffing these things for 55 years. Mine was actually 47 years old. Think I got my monies worth I paid 10 dollars for it in 1985. It had a 36x Needle bearing on it. Oh, BTW  a baldie is going for 170 on da bay right now. I'll stick with the old BB cause it only goes 120mph. I can't keep up with anything faster.
T

Ken< Andre> Frank and others

Tommy does not know about Graffiti or Nostalgia combat.... yet

I would dearly love Bob Mears to host a old time combat weekend

Travel for us Texans to BC or GSCB is a bit ambitious...BUT Tulsa Glue Dobbers is dooable (for me)

And this!

http://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/tulsa-gluedobbers-1st-annual/

Here ya go Tommy.
This is an event I call Combat Graffiti. It has rules and so on but mainly is a builders event with some limited combat tossed in for good measure.
The page is about the 2012 contest and there is a video link that is a hoot. Part of the fun are period costumes........having said that, "Buddy Holley" showed up with a Canadian accent........what a hoot.

http://flyinglines.org/graffiti.12.html

Ken

These blokes are fun to talk to and all, but just remember Tommy, super heros and ninja turtles fly speed also....

Just a poor attempt at humor my friend. Speed is the classification for top speed, fastest speed, or fastest speed in a set measurement (the proto speed you mentioned)
In this video, my average lap time was 1.44 sec,  on 50 ft lines which translates to about 148.75 mph.

I compete in combat and speed flying.

Al :
That's why I'm mainly flying electric stuff. Can't cut the mustard.

 MM :
I, too, will take all the Fox 36xBB and will double , no triple the 14.95 for good, complete used ones. If you or anyone reading have NIB 36xBB, tell me last and I'll up the ante.
 Oops, I'm not helping myself as they are ever increasing in value.

Frank
P.S. : Andre -  FWIW: T.H. is for advice, the enforcer, who shall remain unnamed, has been known to frequent  the local joints near Giants stadium in the NJ Meadowlands.

       Electric is ok for combat too!

     I'll stick with the old BB cause it only goes 120mph.
T

  Hey Tom, my 36xBB did a official 127mph at the 2016 combat festival on multiple watches. On the first 7 lap set of that run, the engine was running better, but with less then a 1/2 of lap to go the Satan dove down to a foot off the ground for no reason and I pulled up high. Jim G told me he kept the watch on it for that set and had it over 130mph.
Not bad for a $14 engine with a little tune up on it.
Al

I flew over a dozen each VooDoos and Combat Cats.  Plus many others, including the Sneaker, Demon, Wasp, SuperStar and others.

Airframes are all over-rated.  The big thing was a quick start, and good engine run and FAST.

Paul, I respectfully disagree.  The statements kinda remind me of the time the U.S. Air Force was testing the first MiG-15 they acquired thanks to a North Korean defector.  Chuck Yeager flew the MiG in mock combat against an F-86 Sabre and consistently won; when the Sabre pilot complained he was at a disadvantage, Yeager started flying the Sabre.  And consistently won.

Lesson: it's what ya do with what ya got!

I've written elsewhere that in the '60s and '70s my weapon was generally a small, fast wing powered by a cleaned up Fox 36X.  I also coached an Olympic-style wrestling club - that produced several state and even national champions - in some of those years, and our tournaments ran to the middle of June.

One year, the first contest in our area arrived before I'd had a chance to go through my engines and planes.  So I pulled out an old 500 square inch wing, mounted a new 36X, and ran it almost blubbering rich with a small prop and - now, get this - a pinch of jeweler's rouge in the fuel.

And took 1st place, with a kill in every round.

FAST was certainly my preference, but SLOW wins too if you use it correctly.

As for airframe:  Take a Demon and a Sneeker to the field, fly both with the same engine, and tell us if they perform equally well doing loops and figure eights upwind in a 15-20 mph breeze.   

(I'm betting you'll appreciate wing taper.)

I will certainly grant that 1-flip starts and consistent engine runs are priceless.  In my opinion, THEY are the underrated elements in the competition.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!


Dennis


I must be out in the circle again,
To fly combat with another guy.
And all I ask is a FAST ship,
And his streamer to steer her by.

Congrats Bobby.
Jeff said you were flying real good! Also said he had a barn burner with Andy in 2D Fast.....sounds like  good time.
How on earth did you beat that set up with a diamond slingshot? Good on ya!

Ken

Congrats Bobby.
Jeff said you were flying real good! Also said he had a barn burner with Andy in 2D Fast.....sounds like  good time.
How on earth did you beat that set up with a diamond slingshot? Good on ya!

Ken

Surprised me too. But the win came from getting a couple of cuts on him, then my bellcrank platform pulled out and I hit the ground. Slingshot had a couple of crashes before and repaired. It probably saved my ass. we flew for a couple of minutes then two cuts gave me the win after I hit the ground. If I had stayed in the air with Chuck longer chances are he would have killed me.

That is what was great about attending the Tulsa combat get together.   The two brothers in the final I asked someone before the match who is going to win.  Response was Bobby is the better of the two.  Guess he was off a little as brother got him.

Andre

http://lazer-works.com/misc.html

Down near the bottom (they are alphabetically listed) is the $42 VooDoo

Check out the ridiculously low cost for the Super Satan...$16.70 for 46 laser cut pieces

I don't have the VooDoo short kit from them but if it is as inclusive as the Super Satan kit ( great wood and precise pieces) I think well worth the $42 plus shippng

Thanks for the link, Fred.  

Ken commented:

"...buy a chunk of balsa, carve the L.E."

That's exactly what I'm wanting to avoid. Been there, done that, don't enjoy it.

"...carve the L.E. more blunt than the CG kit..."

Ah, but then in my demented mind, it wouldn't be a sure'nuf "Voodoo". I'm also anal about using longer booms (that started appearing in the '70's) on one.  We needn't talk about my other compromises that I'm willing to accept.    (Like iron-on coverings which certainly weren't typical back when the Voodoo was first released.)

I'm thinking in terms of a Voodoo for one of my Johnson CS engines.  

Thanks for the link, Fred.  

Ken commented:

"...buy a chunk of balsa, carve the L.E."

That's exactly what I'm wanting to avoid. Been there, done that, don't enjoy it.

"...carve the L.E. more blunt than the CG kit..."

Ah, but then in my demented mind, it wouldn't be a sure'nuf "Voodoo". I'm also anal about using longer booms (that started appearing in the '70's) on one.  We needn't talk about my other compromises that I'm willing to accept.    (Like iron-on coverings which certainly weren't typical back when the Voodoo was first released.)

I'm thinking in terms of a Voodoo for one of my Johnson CS engines.  

Andre :
Yes, yes, yes: Carving ,  shaping, and block radius sanding(I used the Great Planes 36"  sanding bar with 180 and 220 grit) the  l.e. out of a block is a BEAR- I spent less time cutting out the ribs, center sheeting and elevator ... Do as Tom S. says about the Sig piece-just order a half dozen. Pick one, used the other five for kindling.
I, too, flew many a Voodoo in the early 70s with extended booms, but I didn't consider it for a second with my last because I wanted to faithfully replicate. Ditto using silk vs. film.  My role model ?  No sekret-Scarinzi. His  workmanship, as you've seen first-hand, is, IMO, benchmark and if the guys saw what he brings to the Vintage Festival- well , they'd flip.
I winced at the notion of the Vienna Sausage can for the pacifier pod, but I gave in on that one non-faithful detail. Putting in a pressure tank  like the original just wouldn't cut it because I want to fly everything I build.
Sounds like you will have one done real soon.
Good Luck,
Frank

In his construction article/plan for the Quicker, Riley Wooten illustrates a "shortcut" for shaped leading edges:

Hi Bobby.
I must have fat fingered it because when I| looked up, the screen was |NOT where it was supposed to be....let's try it again.

email is keny6789@gmail.com.

Which video are you referring to? There were 3 or 4 of them.

K

Wow, I can't believe anyone would object to the oldies, but I guess they did. I do not have tht one as \|Joe Yau made it together with me. I sent him the songs and pix's and he assembled them. I have asked him to look and see if he still has any of it. Here is what \i can still get but it's all on youtube. Once I assembled it i no longer kept the raw material, but will look.
I'm flattered that you want to use them.

Back then nobody was doing this stuff so I didn't know if it would catch on or not. Here is what I can find beside the one you have already.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldd_Pz1wOCQ&feature=youtu.be


K

Bobby,
Joe was able to reassemble the music. Please send me a PM to keny6789@gmail.com and \i will send the video with sound to you. It is not youtube but every bit as good.


Thanks Joe!!!!!!!


Ken

Bob M

Truly looking forward to the trip to Lubbock this year

I know your Lady has a big role running the contest

 But I want to bring my wife, a Quilter to meet her and see her shop

WE have very substantial investment in space and shops here on the micro ranch ---but I fear your most astounding palace may cost me a few years off the kids inheritance...once my wife see what Arlene (sp?) has done with her space....grin

Please advise... should I arrive one or two day early to pester...?
Or stay a day or two after, to gain max exposure for my wife (Renie age 59)  and your lady?

It suX for me at this point in life than I am physically NOW officially a Combat Groupie....
but each of my trips to your place has been rewarding, and you guys did NOT make me feel too out of place...

Too Bad Dane Martin (las Vegas) is getting married in Texas a few week prior...I am sure he would love to be there again but ----Kristina probably has already told him "Any honey moon in Lubbock Tx" is a non starter...yes SIR BOB  WE can relate!!

GRIN

I will try desperately to drag Tommy Swonke to Lubbock but that poor old fart is way down Livingston way....Maybe I could coordinate and con Rich Stubbelfield to swing up and capture the old guy for a real fun weekend

 

Most people gave up on the kits and just scratch-built Voodoos and such planes.

One simplifying change was to do away with the rib notching at the TE and just let the covering bridge the 1/16" imperfection. And, of course, no square spar on the centerline of the ribs. 

Another was the use of a full 1/2" center rib in lieu two ribs sandwiching the engine mount. 

So if I'm understanding this correctly I can eliminate the spar with no ill effects?

Jim

Other notes on the spar

If nice and straight, it can be a benefit for alignment when building, not glued to each rib,  and then pulled out

If bent crooked and crummy it can,  and usually will, induce a warp

on many wings often referred to as a "Rib Ripper"