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Online john e. holliday

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Renegade
« on: June 26, 2016, 05:11:23 PM »
Flew it for the first time yesterday at my sister's place while visiting.   What a blast.   K&B Greenhead .35 on suction.  Will need to cut control movement down as it was turning too quick for me, even trying to stiff arm it.  Balance is ahead of the spar.  No weight to it hardly.  My brother-in-law seen a little of why I had him hold like he did.  Would have made more flights but, humidity and heat was getting to him and old pasture land with grass clumps and dirt divets does not help balance.
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2016, 08:00:22 PM »
Nice job on it Doc.  I'd build some of those old planes, but I'm not a purist.  The upright engine doesn't fly very well, so I'd go with a side mount.
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2022, 11:24:59 AM »
Quote from: phil c on June 27, 2016, 08:00:22 PM
Nice job on it Doc.  I'd build some of those old planes, but I'm not a purist.  The upright engine doesn't fly very well, so I'd go with a side mount.

I just got the renegade kit from vintage performance to build.....im  going to do the side mount engine on it and tank in the wing like old school ones i built in the late 50's...
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2022, 12:10:44 PM »
Did you beat me with that one at Newberry’s?
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2022, 02:13:36 PM »
Quote from: Howard Rush on June 18, 2022, 12:10:44 PM
Did you beat me with that one at Newberry’s?

That wouldnt be me...my last combat plane was a voodoo...
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2022, 07:09:10 PM »
Won't be a Renegade with side mount.  But to each his own. D>K
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2022, 08:43:05 AM »
Quote from: doug coursey on June 18, 2022, 02:13:36 PM
That wouldnt be me...my last combat plane was a voodoo...

It will still be a renagade just personalized a little...im also building a nobler im going to personalize also
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2022, 06:01:46 PM »
Quote from: doug coursey on June 18, 2022, 02:13:36 PM
That wouldnt be me...my last combat plane was a voodoo...

No, that would have been John.  We were flying combat over a paved parking lot. 
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2023, 05:23:31 PM »
The first Renegade I built back in the 60's was built just like the kit said.  The second one had a sidewinder engine.  Much better!  The third one was "inspired" by Riley Wooten's Diamond design.  I loped off the round portions of the ribs and made it into a diamond Renegade.  Also pulled the tips in closer to the end ribs.  The result?  A real dog.  That was all pre-Netzeband I'm-sure-it-will-work beginner's "engineering".  The Renegade was a John Barr design, some said based on the Butterfly design from the mid-west somewhere.   
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2023, 05:35:44 AM »
Quote from: john e. holliday on June 26, 2016, 05:11:23 PM
Flew it for the first time yesterday at my sister's place while visiting.   What a blast.   K&B Greenhead .35 on suction.  Will need to cut control movement down as it was turning too quick for me, even trying to stiff arm it.  Balance is ahead of the spar.  No weight to it hardly.  My brother-in-law seen a little of why I had him hold like he did.  Would have made more flights but, humidity and heat was getting to him and old pasture land with grass clumps and dirt divets does not help balance.
how much travel did it have..im building one now and have about 20 degrees of travel
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2023, 12:04:23 PM »
Do not go more than 20 degrees each way.  I fly mine with a 5 inch Hot rock handle. D>K
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2023, 03:04:36 PM »
Quote from: john e. holliday on April 05, 2023, 12:04:23 PM
Do not go more than 20 degrees each way.  I fly mine with a 5 inch Hot rock handle. D>K

 thats what mine has 20 degrees,i have the same handle for now......
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2023, 08:12:08 PM »
Nice looking airplane Doc!

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Re: Renegade
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2023, 07:58:13 AM »
Quote from: phil c on June 27, 2016, 08:00:22 PM
Nice job on it Doc.  I'd build some of those old planes, but I'm not a purist.  The upright engine doesn't fly very well, so I'd go with a side mount.

I had TWO Midwest Hornets with the vertical engine.  I should have learned from Lesson One.  You're one inverted flameout or bad outside loop from disaster.
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Re: Renegade
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2023, 03:15:57 PM »
 I don't post much anymore but saw John's Renegade and remember when there were a lot of them around 1960.  I was flying Quicker's at that time. Both had the same problem then landing inverted in grass you would break off the motor mounts. I went to side mount after one season. Preasure feed worked well for me but most people were using bladders.
 Another seldom seen upright motor model was Don Still's thick flying wing model. I built two to test motors as did Super Tigre warranty.
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