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Offline Howard Olson

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Nelson .36 case
« on: August 19, 2010, 04:42:17 PM »
     Do any of you guys know where I can get a hold of a Nelson .36 combat engine crankcase?  Broken mounting lugs on mine.  I would appreciate any help.  Thanks.

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2010, 05:14:39 PM »
If you use metal motor mounts one of the backplate mounts would work.Maybe Henry still has some.

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 06:47:16 PM »
     I use the engine in carrier and using a backplate mount would require a total redesign.  Thanks for the input though.

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2010, 09:03:08 AM »
Henry Nelson himself is the source of Nelson parts - installed !!

I guess I could be proven wrong (again) but I've never heard of anybody stockpiling them.  

My advice and personal practice is to send the engine to Henry and let him properly fit the necessary parts.  

« Last Edit: August 23, 2010, 08:30:26 PM by Paul Smith »
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Offline Howard Olson

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 05:14:38 PM »
parts for the .36 were among the first items he was out of when he scaled back production.  Already tried that route over a year ago.

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 11:31:09 PM »
speeddad

Parts for our old toys are getting hard to find.

As a last chance you might try welding it. Have done similar type repairs with good success.
Not easy but if you gota save it you gota save it!

This is how I would try it with welding.

Need to make a snug push fit aluminum round bar mandrel to insert into back plate opening and up into rear bearing seat so that distortion and shrinkage are minimized.

If possible place cylinder section in water while welding.
Mandrel will help control temps also.

Find someone good with tedious heliarc work. Someone that will let it cool if needed and who's welds have zero porosity. They are out there just have to find them.These guys can usually do good magnesium repairs as well.
Big Industrial Fab shops is a good place.

The lugs need not be welded back on as it can be built up with the weld.
A milling machine will be needed to re make the lugs. Can be done by hand with a lot of measuring and time.
Remove all stress risers possible with dremel or round files.

Should be able to relocate bolt holes from airplane as a pattern.

Leave the mandrel in until all work is finished.

If mandrel is stuck heat case with propane torch evenly to about 200deg and it should fall out.
spit boils off at 180 or so.

If all went well Bearing bore should be ok and not to tight on bearing.
If it will drop in when heated as above it should be just fine. Light press by hand when cold is almost to loose.
Can loosen fit by careful scraping and then polish

With any repairs on stressed parts keep an eye out for cracks or other signs of failure.

Hope this helps you man!

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Offline Howard Olson

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2010, 08:17:31 PM »
thank you for the welding info.  I can do TIG welding in my shop and i have a milling machine, I will probably give it a try.  Nothing to really lose if it doesn't work. 

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 12:19:59 AM »
Hey Howard
This is time consuming tedious work.
Make sure you are THAT welder. At worst $50 for That welder.

I Tig and gas weld when building formula car frames and roll cages and non structural aluminum.
I am not THAT welder.

All structural aluminum, magnesium repair or construction = big fab shop where they usually have at least one guy welding these materials all day every day. This is key to making it work.

I use Hayes MFG about 30 miles from here.

With the equipment you have you can fix this thing. Make super light cuts---forever until you get there, this will help avoid pulling it out of fixture and doing damage.
Keep checking often to be sure it is tight in fixture, and very very often when the High/Low of the weld is making chatter and bumps and such.

David


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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2010, 05:00:07 PM »
One of my friends is a welding instructor at a tech college.  Retired from doing 40 years of precision welding.  Maybe I will turn this over to him!

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2010, 08:53:19 PM »
That might be that welder!

If you have some real junk cases might warm the torch and setting up on that just before actual welding of part.

Was thinking about this the other night.
If you do not already have an airplane built to fit the original mount holes might want to make wider lugs with the holes moved out so that a bigger radius can be left where new lugs meet the case.

Might also want to make the lugs thicker on the "top", The side that is not in line with the crankshaft center line.

Keep us posted on progress!

Take your time, triple check twice! you only get one shot at this.(you knew this!)

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2010, 07:33:35 AM »
This is what I do, Mil spec TIG for 30 yrs. Welding for MECA members restoring rare engines, tether cars, speed pans. Mag, Alum, Stainless and Ti. Precision build-ups are easy. I charge a fair rate because I want to help. Scott D       All Weld

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2010, 04:05:06 PM »
       I can testify for Scott's work as he recently repaired a speed pan for me. The repair was practically undetectable. I'm currently using it now and I was very happy with his work . Ken

Offline Howard Olson

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2010, 05:51:15 PM »
I will send you the case if you want to take a look at it or I can send some pictures.  I work away from home, so I won't have access to my beat up engine until the weekend of the 30th.  Would love to know if its repairable/ price for repair.  Thanks.

Howard

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Re: Nelson .36 case
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2010, 07:59:07 PM »
Looks like we have found "that Welder"
Er Ah....He found us!

Thanks Scott, Will save your info.

Can you handle larger mag casting? Wheels, Bell housing/gearbox and uprights?

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