Author Topic: AMA 1975 MACA Nats winners pictures. (Read 4487 times)

W.D. Roland · « **on:** August 06, 2009, 10:32:12 PM »

Howard
I have to eat my words.
You were there.
Chemo has erased some of my memories. Forgive me please.
This is going to be in sections as scanner is not big enough.
If I look drunk and stoned I was--stupid hippies.
I have the list of names.
And several more complete MACA news letters.
Any interest?

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2009, 10:39:04 PM »

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2009, 10:42:53 PM »

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2009, 11:05:26 PM »

And More

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2009, 11:07:46 PM »

another

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2009, 11:09:52 PM »

Man we were ugly back then!
The girls were cute.
Duke never changed while I knew him.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2009, 09:06:16 AM »

Beauty is in the eyes of teh beholder as the saying goes. It is hard to beleive it has been that many years. Back then my planes of choice were Winders or Bigirons with Fox or Tigre power. The 70 NATS was my last try at combat when they made a safety rule change and I sat in the middle of the circle watching my brother trying to get the Fox to run. A lot of memories from that period of time. DOC Holliday

PS:A few of them are still doing the combat scene. jeh

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2009, 05:03:48 PM »

Hey Doc.
I barely remember not being able to start my own engine.
I think I remember sitting a whole match while dad tried to start my Red Head McCoy while I was yelling flood it and it will start!
and Flood it it not a Green Head!
Probably some profanity also.

This must have been changed back fairly soon after I started competing.

By this time I had the G-21 down pat and could start, run to the center and be in the air usually before the others got started.
Youth is wasted on young people!

I folded many Winders--you? the G-21 was a bit much for the Winder.
I do have a flyable Winder with hoped up Torp GH hanging in shop.

Looking through old MACA news letters at the moment......

Volume 2 no.1 jan 75
Plans for Ira Kellers "Bee Ware"

Vol 2 #2
More pics
Howard Shenton drawings on bell crank mount/motor mounts--nice drawings.

Full page add for Moose Allen Combat Specialties (sniper mk/7) Fell out of one issue.

Vol 3 #4
Phil Cartier Gotcha plans

Several more issues.

Let me know and will scan and post entire News letters or just pics and drawings before they deteriorate to dust!

David
AMA 51336

john e. holliday · « **Reply #8 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:11:15 AM »

Back then I would as some say over built my combat planes. The center section was usually fibre glassed and silk covering or SilRay was my favorite for combat. At Wichita in 64 the Big Iron took three matches before the guys from Topeka could knock it out of the air. Three rounds and the same guys from one club and they were what we called bellcrankers. By the third man I asked him if we was going to fly combat or not. Needless to say he hit the ole Big Iron dead center and bound up my controls. 64 was a good year for me as Wichita was always considered the warm up for the NATS. I went home with seconds in combat and carrier. With Minor brothers flying at the field has me hankering to maybe try speed limit combat. Need to build a new Clas II Carrier tho. DOC Holliday

PS:We also have Rob Hein flying again. jeh

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #9 on:** August 08, 2009, 08:00:09 PM »

Doc
I dont know about trying combat again.

When I go out and fly something like Excalibur or one of the others one flight- 2 and I am ready to sit down.
I guess I just work the airplane and myself to hard.

4 cycle on a fox stunt--that's my current comfortable speed!

David
51336

Marvin Denny · « **Reply #10 on:** August 09, 2009, 08:17:56 PM »

David, those pictures bring back many fond memories. I recognize many of the guys and gals there. That (1974) was the year that I started my comeback after 5 years of being out of competition and flying only sport and fun stuff. I lost out in the first rounds of both Fast AND slow combat.

Bigiron

john e. holliday · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2009, 10:43:24 AM »

The old planes do bring a rush tho don't they? DOC Holliday

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #12 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:50:36 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on August 10, 2009, 10:43:24 AM

The old planes do bring a rush tho don't they? DOC Holliday

I hope to torture myself----I mean fly one soon!
Its a bash of combat cat with shorter nose moment and longer tail moment at 16oz with Fox 6 bolt back radial mount.

Have one test flight on bad fuel--seemed to be pretty hot--of course I am pretty cold! or should that be old?

Marvin
Probably stumbled over you there.
Lots of stumbling in my hippie days

David
AMA 51336

Greg McCoy · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2009, 09:04:56 PM »

That was my first and only Nats, Bruce Bina and I travelled from Fargo ND in an AMC Gremlin stuffed with airplanes. I was seventeen years old at the time, how trusting parents were then. I had two or three Foxfeathers and a Ringmaster. All I remember was using the Ringmaster in the finals and folks pitching in to help switch the 36x to pressure. Got some coaching from Mr. Rush.

Met Pete Mazur, he entered a HP 40 powered "Blunderthird" (third blunder in a series) to win fast rat.

Richard Wilkins with his Fast Blasta caused a sensation, the plane flew different than standard combat planes of the time.

Howard Rush entered a tri geared Nemistunt in PA.

Saw a C freeflight arc over and punch a hole in the hood of a car.

Just some fond memories.

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #14 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:02:14 AM »

Hey Greg!
Did you sleep on site in that Gremlin?

We were all them hippies stuffed in the Blue long wheel base dodge window van next to the big green motor home at the combat site..

Kinda remember something about a ring master on pressure.....

I think I remember yall ,a short and a tall guy--age difference.

David
51336

Greg McCoy · « **Reply #15 on:** August 15, 2009, 03:26:27 PM »

Quote from: W.D. Roland on August 15, 2009, 12:02:14 AM

Hey Greg!
Did you sleep on site in that Gremlin?

We were all them hippies stuffed in the Blue long wheel base dodge window van next to the big green motor home at the combat site..

Kinda remember something about a ring master on pressure.....

I think I remember yall ,a short and a tall guy--age difference.

David
51336

We actually had a hotel room.

The Ringmaster was originally set-up on suction, so someone there loaned me a tapped back-plate. Howard Rush advised, if I could fly low inverted, do that.

Bruce Bina was tall, I was the short one. Bruce flew Dinosaurs with G/21's.

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2009, 06:59:21 PM »

Good memories Greg!

David

dale gleason · « **Reply #17 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:42:39 AM »

David,
Is there a way to use the numbers on the pictures to determine who the people are? If too big a problem, no problem.

PS: talked to your Dad, great reminicing, thanks so much, dg

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #18 on:** September 13, 2009, 02:02:30 PM »

Yes Dale

I will have to scan the description.
Will try to do it tonight.

Glad I could put yall back in touch!

Looking forward to seeing you again after 52-53 years!
Don't be to surprised if I have changes somewhat!

Little Hawklet.

dale gleason · « **Reply #19 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:52:16 PM »

Putting names with those faces seems like an awful lot of trouble, but I think a lot of people will enjoy it. That's an interesting story about Richard Stubblefield and you "dukin' " it out at Lake Charles...he never has hung up his spurs, continues combat and made the last USA Team, looks like his name is on the draw list at the F2D TT just held in Detroit.
Thanks again,
dale g

Pat Willcox · « **Reply #20 on:** September 14, 2009, 12:15:07 AM »

I can put names to most of the folks pictured.

Pat Willcox

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #21 on:** September 14, 2009, 01:55:31 AM »

Dale
I thought I was going to post them tonight.
Dont have a clue where they went to,supposed to be in the desk to file with the other MACA news letters.
Should see my filling

Have no clue how Richard still flies combat.
When I do fly one now days it is a chore.
Heck My stunt planes seem faster than a slow combat now!

Hey Pat
Belive I remember you.
I can't name any of the Jr Sr group except for myself.
Mostly flew in open even when a Sr.
I can name most of the Adults.

Will try to clean desk up tomorow evening and find the list.
All I have to do is scan it and post so no biggie.
Oh yea--gota find them, now where did I put my brain?

David
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dale gleason · « **Reply #22 on:** September 16, 2009, 11:20:27 AM »

Pat,
I keep staring at the faces, some are easily recognizable, others not so sure.
Everytime I read "big iron", I think of 747s.

dale

Pat Willcox · « **Reply #23 on:** September 17, 2009, 11:04:35 AM »

Dale, Roger on the "Big Iron" equals/same as heavy.>G<

Lots of memories of that Nats that are pictured.

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:33:36 PM »

Still looking for that MACA news letter.
No clue why its not with the rest of them.

David

dale gleason · « **Reply #25 on:** September 18, 2009, 10:12:46 AM »

No biggie, we'll look at them in BR, maybe down at Brunet's. dale g

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #26 on:** September 21, 2009, 11:07:00 AM »

still have not found news letter

Did find these not very good Polaroids, Camera was messing up badly.

First pic is motor home and tarp/canopy double exposure.

2nd is Duke ,Dad ,me, others, The beginning of the 6 bolt back plate CBS engine.combat circles in back ground.

3rd unknown young uns cooling off, combat circles in back ground.

4th Tommy Os slow combat air force and Dodge van. that van took us to many contest!

5th Have no clue who this was. I remember them just not names. Someone know?

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #27 on:** September 21, 2009, 11:13:50 AM »

Dale
These are for you.
Dated March 56--4 months before I was born.
Do not know if they were taken in Ruston or Alexandria.

Mom holding the trickster(trixter?)
Bottom-Dad with the trickster.

dale gleason · « **Reply #28 on:** September 21, 2009, 07:53:36 PM »

That sorta' chokes me up, tell you what! We've just put the finishing touches on the DMAA Newsletter, Bill's idea of painting the whole plane white, spars, ribs, all, then using silk made a really neat plane. The tip weight was about a half/bag of Daisy Red Ryder BBs, you could see'em through the silk. I'll make sure you all get a copy of the newsletter at BR. The next plane he built was an original with planked wings and an upright, completely cowled in motor.

Thanks so much, David
dale g

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #29 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:50:13 PM »

{{The next plane he built was an original with planked wings and an upright, completely cowled in motor.}}

Are you speaking of the stunt plane he designed?
The Green Monster?

dale gleason · « **Reply #30 on:** September 22, 2009, 06:52:44 AM »

Yes, it was green, all green, no trim. dg

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #31 on:** September 22, 2009, 01:08:47 PM »

Dale
That would be the Green Monster then. He later painted flames coming out of the exhaust area.
I kept the remains until recently, just keep running out of room!
I do have the plans and other plans of his.

Well you just never know what one will find when cleaning off the work bench!!!!!!

I pieced it together to make it easier?
Click on scans then click again to enlarge for reading.
(2 times click on pics makes them clear up as well)

Not Dad and I have same name. He goes by Bill and I go by David.
They list has me down as Bill.
Not near as confusing as my son having same name and we all 3 enter an SCCA race!

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #32 on:** September 22, 2009, 01:16:11 PM »

And the rest of them.

dale gleason · « **Reply #33 on:** September 22, 2009, 08:38:14 PM »

The other members of the Jive Combat team, Howard winning FAI, PTG, Talman, Stubblefield, Riley,Tom Fluker, they're all still going strong. And the tribute to Duke Fox, still working for control line people when all the others were off to rc...Thanks David,
dale g

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #34 on:** September 22, 2009, 09:23:40 PM »

Dale
Yea--- I defected to R/C but back after 34 years.
Well except one last contest in Alexandria.
Stubblefield and I flew of for first in fast. I made the kill, twice! I went out with a bang. I think Buck was 3rd that day.
The circles were removed for tennis courts a few months later. Was 79 or 80 I think.

I have played with C/L with the my boys since then.
Mostly 1/2A combat in the yard.
They must have burned up a box full of TDs on 40%!
Flew a little .35 stuff with them from time to time.
Both are decent R/C pilots as well.
Had Dad doing R/C for awhile--he never liked the electronic no feed back connection!
He said hes been trying to Email you and they bounce.
Do you have his Email?

Man, I hope this weather straightens up or I am just going to be a spectator at B.R.
Not even close to ready

David

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #35 on:** September 23, 2009, 11:51:42 PM »

Dale
Remains of the Green Monster

ptg · « **Reply #36 on:** September 26, 2009, 10:12:26 AM »

David,

First, THANK YOU FOR POSTING THESE PICTURES! Until I started looking at these pics all I had was faint memories of those days and those Nats. So many people, so many matches, so many planes After that I never missed a Nats from thru '80. Finally managed to win Open in 78 (might have been and too much fun! My first Nats was '67 in Los Alamitos, won 2nd in senior. the last of the single elimination Nats) think there were 63 entries in Open. Went at the Nats this year.....it's not even close to what it used to be. Saw Mike Tallman there, he and I flew in that final match, Riley Wooten was the Event Director. Mike flies flies RC Pylon now. Also, had dinner with Moose Allen just a few weeks ago at the stunt Team Trials.

Really tough to describe what the NATS were like in those days to those who never had the experience. Those pics and the MACA Newsletter are one hellova really cool ride in the time machine.

Thanks again
Phil

john e. holliday · « **Reply #37 on:** September 27, 2009, 01:14:23 PM »

As phil says, the early NATS were to behold. Nothing like missing mess because we were still flying. 64 was my first and 70 was my second. 64 got Riley in second round. 70 never even got airborn. That was the year they made an over night ruling that pilots could not start their own engines. Have not even tried to fly combat at the NATS since. DOC Holliday

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #38 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:04:02 AM »

[[That was the year they made an over night ruling that pilots could not start their own engines.]]

I was 14 then in 70.
Memory says it was sooner than that although you know them memory things......

It did not last long thank goodness.
Dad taught me to start engines but he did not have the knack.

Sat on the ground through several matches during that time.

David