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Well,
I finally got all the sanding, sealing, voodoo and hoo doo done on the Avnger, AGAIN,,,
so I braved it this weekend, and sprayed the darn thing.
much to my delight, i didnt have any major issues with peeling paint, or masks this time.
The Frisket I cut on my plotter worked great with no bleeds anywhere, and it didnt lift any color with it this time,, ( well of course except for where I WANTED it to lift, like where I didnt want that color down,,you know what I mean sheesh )
The two trim colors this time are better than the first time, and I like this pattern better. For some reason my spray out panel of the lighter color, shich tested as a rich root beer brown, didnt spray that way on the model but it is what it is, and while I would have liked what I wanted better, this will do,, * to damn late to do anything now anyway lol*
the darker color is actually black with copper and red pearl in it, though it doesnt show in the pictures so much.
This week is some minor detailing, the mask did lift just the slightest bit of color around the canopy edge, so a little touch up is needed there.
Still trying to decide on whether or not to do any ink lines, I havent ever done them before, and it would dress it up a little bit, but, just not sure I want to brave it on this one,,
Clear to follow this week,,,,,,
Let me know what you all think
Hope you enjoy,,
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WOW is not a strong enough word and other adjectives simply do not do it justice H^^.
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Man, that's just horrible, Mark. Why don't you throw it in the car and I'll take it off your hands in Portland?
Sheesh, that is just spectacular. Go ahead and touch up the canopy edges, then just shoot clear. You're done, man. Can't wait to see it in the sun.
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ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC Mark!!!!!!!!!!! I love the gold base color as well as the whole plane!!!
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Lookin' so good I need shades. 8) 8) 8)
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What do I think???
:o :o :o Well...IMPRESIONANTE AMIGO !! :o :o :o
Absolutely AWESOME finish man!
Outstanding!
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B! U! T! FULL! MARK! SPEECHLESS IN GIG HAAAAAAAAAAABA!
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Yea, Mark, it's a shame that this artwork won't be seen at VSC this year. It would be a contender for the Concours award, that's certain.
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Ditto...all the above. Let's go to VSC next year? H^^ Steve
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MARK! THAT OL' AVENGER...that I started building in a small one bedroom apt. in Salem Oregon in 1969...U HAVE TAKEN THAT OLD DESIGN WAAAAAY UP AND BEYOND MY WILDEST EXPECTATIONS...
AGAIN, MY DEEPEST APPRECIATION and THANKS for such a beautiful updated old classic from so long ago.
This NEW AVENGER OF YOUR'S IS TRULY A BEEEUUUUUTEEEFUL CLPA WORK OF ART!
Just for the memories...(here is the first old Avenger 35 from the AAM. so long ago!
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Thanks for the positive feedback gents!
Well I made up my mind on the panel lines,
I shot clear on it tonight, no panel lines. I dont want to risk it at this point. The basecoat isnt that easy to clean up any errant miscues on so its better safe than sorry.
overall, I am fairly satisfied. Of course, just like Randy, I see things that bother me, but hey, after the initial fiasco last spring, its painted, and I can fly it, so it cant be all bad.
I really am looking forward to getting it assembled and flown.
I really wish I could make VSC, however I think after having to take a leave from the flying circle last summer, its not probably a good thing to jump into a contest with an un flown airplane lol,,,, of course there is the finance aspect as well.
I will let you know how I did on weight once the clear is cured enough to handle.
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I can't wait to come on over to your house and put a couple of finger prints on her.....ah...er I mean just look. Really a top notch job Mark! Just a few nights ago all I saw was sanded fill and primer.
Rob
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Mark,
Heck, half the guys at VSC fly unflown planes. There are more maiden flights at that contest than I thought possible. ;D
I think Mark is thinking it will be around 57 or 58oz. And that should be just fine. Sure is pretty.
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Mark:
REALLY nice job- fantastic colors that thing is gonna come alive in the sun. NICE recovery from your earlier paint problems too.
You are in the finishing kick now!
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I hope so, once this one is assembled, then its on to the bf 109 that has been in primer waiting for me to get brave enough , or good enough to fly.
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I have a SSW tweaked Magnum .53 that is to be mounted in it.
Thanks Bill
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Mark,
This is a great choice for engine. I know I love mine. All the power of an ST60 in a lighter package.
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Well, from what Pat Johnston, and Randy tell me, the Mag .53 is like a strong ST .60.
Pat says he was swinging a 13x5 or 13x5.5 prop on it with no sweat. Of course Pats airplanes are a bit lighter than mine? But still, I dont think I will be lacking for power.
I mean, were talking a 640 square inch airplane, that ( pending final assembly and weight checks) should be in the 56 to 58 oz range.
Yeah, dont think power will be an issue. Shultz flew this plane on an OS 35 S !
as a teaser I am posting a jpeg of the plans, well one sheet , the wing set.the resolution isnt that great, but to reduce it to a mangable size, well thats what you get. Trust me, they are pretty crisp. Drawn in Autocad . All the parts are already setup for Laser cutting too.
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Original plan
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Shultzie,
your plan is more prettier than mine,, I love inked hand drawn plans,,, sigh,,
but hey, Im a victim of current technology what can I say ;)
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Shultzie,
your plan is more prettier than mine,, I love inked hand drawn plans,,, sigh,,
but hey, Im a victim of current technology what can I say ;)
HA! Maybe "ARTZIE-FART-ZZZ-EEEEEEE-RRRRRR'" but....I would bet...YOUR NEW UPDATED VERSION is far and away more accurate in actually "fit together plan puzzleee'wise.
I was PUSHED AND JABBED to quickly INDIA INK MY LABORED TIRED PEA-BRAIN AND EYEBALL OFF in time to meet the article publishing date.
Everything in that article from story-to quickee-toons and inked drawing was a TOTALLY MASSIVE HEAD RUSH TO THE POST OFFICE GIG.
INCLUDING THAT DROP-DEAD AIRMAIL SPECIAL DELIVERY from the pits of hell and Shultzie old garage stunt hanger.
However most of the flying time was with that beautiful tweaked Bob Wilder OS 40 engine..that I had to add a sizeable intake restrictor in order to get enough engine run time to complete the stunt pattern. (Which in the end..perhaps I should have stayed with that beautiful Art Adamisin OS 35 that you see in the photos of the first Avenger 35.
The Wilder OS 40 Stunt engine was beautiful..but I flew the VD~ VD~ VD~out of it on that dirt n' gritty Space Center parking lot. Sadly due to my lack of good judgement. That engine died an early death. ???
BURN, LIVE N' LEARN?
LL~ HB~> n~
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Hey Shultzie,
while your hanging around here,
do you know a Kite flyin guy from the eastern part of the state by the name of,,Dave Hagelgance,, or maybe Hagelganz?
he was at our RC club function the other day,,
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That can't be far from the causeway. I think I recognize that house. :)
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Don,
The "passing" of your friend Bob is not sad at all. That's the way to go out.
All this talk about hot chicks and sliding sideways is nonsense. A sunset is the way to do it!
Les McDonald
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AMEN...LES!
Thanks for those thoughtful words. Bob was loved by many He started out his career as a football coach with the late Don James of the UW here in Seattle.
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I don't think the Dogfather is "late" yet.
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He is late as in no longer with the puppies,, uh, I mean Huskies,, I suppose I SHOULD be respectfull of them since the obliterated us in the apple cup, but somehow,, thats just not the way it is eh Randy?
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OH, and note to self,, NO MORE EXTRAVEGANT PRETTY SPECIAL PAINT< SHHEEESH<,
not cause there are problems, but coats of Candy really add up,, sigh,,
it will still fly well I am sure, but,,,,,,,,
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Mark,
I discovered that with the Novi I built. First white, then candy green, then toner coat, then pearl coat, trim colors and clear (with yet more pearl). Looked pretty cool, but that's 4 full coats of color just for the base. It adds up quick, that's certain. That plane could easily have been 4-5 ounces lighter if I had just shot base color, some trim colors, clear and let's go flying.
But it sure looked cool.
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Well, Lets say I didnt see it for three days after I cleared it, I still wasnt all that excited when I cleared it. After three days, I went to bring it home, I am much happier,, well until I put it on the scale. IT should still be ok, but its not as light as it could have been.
still lighter than your new PA airplane,, with an extra 40 squares wing area,, LL~ y1 y1
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Well, let's hope you keep it under 57oz. My new PA plane will be sitting in the rack for a month or so (certainly until early April) while I wait for the engine to be repaired. Sigh....
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Randy, well it will be what it is. I am going to ignore the weight and fly it. Nothing matters until I get it in the air. The more I fondle it the happier I am with the paint scheme. But as I said, I wont be going down this path again, way to costly weight wise. Long story short, Its right in the ballpark with Pats Mustang for weight and the Avenger carries an additional 20 squares so, it is what it is. its shiney, its almost ready to fly, and I am happy for the most part with the end result. Now I want to build another one and seriously eliminate some of the issues that added weight through the process, but, I have bf 109 to finish first, then a profile electric, then,, well then we will see.
I have learned a ton through this build though and appreciate all YOUR and Pats support, not to mention Shultzie.
Looking forward to getting some air under its wings soon.
I have it all hinged, engine mounted up, and getting ready to start preparing props for it. Probably during the race tomorow. I Have a starting point, so I will be carving up some props to bracket where I think I need to be. Then its a matter of making a set of lines, and a new handle for it.
looking for nice weather, either in Boise, of maybe over on your side of the state. I know its not going to get nice enough here for a while yet.
OH YEAH, pictures,, I better take a bunch of pictures too, I can do that here its supposed to be sunny tomorrow, cold but sunny.
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Great Looking Ship!!
Randy
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Thanks Gents!
Hope you dont get bored but I have some pictures of it outside assembled
Interesting in the pictures where I had it setting on the hood of my truck just how much of the red from my truck the color picked up
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OOOHHH, it's shiny. All us magpies like shiny things.
Looks very good, Mark. In spite of any excess ounces, that color is absolutely gorgeous. Looks very good.
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Randy,
Magpies,, hmm I thought over there it was BATS that liked shiney things?
Should I admit I stood outside in the sun today wishing It was ready to fly completly,, its not quite, so I just wandered around looking at it,, yeah Ok so I am pretty satisfied,, well from a couple feet away anyhow lol,,
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WOW! MARK!!! H^^ CLP** BW@ HH%%
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BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Looks fantastic Mark!!!
Rob
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Last night I got to actually lay hands on Mark's sweet Avenger. Trust me, it is more stunning in real life than the photos can do justice.
Rob
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Thanks Rob,,
now I need to get out the race glaze to get all your fingerprints off it,, lol
enjoyed the visit,, so when are we building the autocross car?
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Last night I got to actually lay hands on Mark's sweet Avenger. Trust me, it is more stunning in real life than the photos can do justice.
Rob
Uhhh? Any chance of a free-bee flight test ride? (Just razzin') LL~ LL~ LL~ Anyhoo...when that time comes for your first test flight.....DON'T FORGET YOUR CAMERA!!!
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Hey Shultzie,,
about that test flight,, uh,,
yeah well,, Hopefully you will get to come see it. I am anxious to let you look it over .
Linda already told me if I forget pictures, and anything happens, well I just best not come home,, but then shes not all that fond of the color so its all good,, silly girls, dont know cool when they see it right!
I do think the test flights are coming up pretty soon, weather is starting to get better, yesterday was 60 degrees,, and sunny, of course the 15 to 20 mph wind wasnt really very conducive to test flights,,
I have to admit, this is the first plane I have built that actually has me nervous to fly lol,, better get over that though, its only a tool to do the job,,
((or in my case, to pretend to do the job lol)
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Hey Shultzie,,
I have to admit, this is the first plane I have built that actually has me nervous to fly lol,, better get over that though, its only a tool to do the job,,
((or in my case, to pretend to do the job lol)
Mark...
An OUTSTANDINGLY BEAUTIFUL TOOL that I am more than certain....WILL DO THE JOB...N' A WHOLE LOT MORE!
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Where & when is the first flight? Schultzie and I will drive over. Pullman, or Tri-Cities? #^ Steve
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Honestly Steve, I hve considered bringing it over to that side of the mountains to maiden and trim it. Likely to get better weather over there sooner than over here. Finding a paved lot to fly in is a challange without dodging parking dividers over here. I WONT fly it on the grass, at least not to start with. After I lost the P-40Q due to a dandelion in Portland year before last, on its fourth flight,, yeah, not doing that again.
I have thought about Boise, with Pat, or Portland with Scott, or up north somewhere with Pete and crew, just not sure. depends upon how schedules and finances work out.
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Don't worry mark, we cn get it trimmed in Portland. ;D
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Don't worry mark, we cn get it trimmed in Portland. ;D
Whazzzzat' WE THANG' Randy???? U GOT A RAT IN YOUR POCKET???? LL~ LL~ VD~ H^^
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We been trying, trust me,, I think I even gave him a new set of plans if I recall correctly>? if not, I have a set for him,,
we need to outlaw kites, then maybe he might,,
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Oh Shucks that's just plain pre H^^tty!
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Leo,
aint it past your bed time? sheesh
how are you havent heard from your neck of the woods for ages!!
thanks for the comments,, will you be coming to see it in Portland?
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We been trying, trust me,, I think I even gave him a new set of plans if I recall correctly>? if not, I have a set for him,,
we need to outlaw kites, then maybe he might,,
Hummmm? I have seen your plans that you posted on this website but I can't recall ever recieving them through the mail? I have alway been curious and would love to see a copy to see how you managed to stuff a larger engine up front as well as the new improved cowling hatch...and beefed up fuselage and aft section details.
Here is another shot of the original plans again....for comparison?
AGAIN..MARK!!! YA DUN'DOODME SOOOOOO PROUD!
THIS NEW AVENGER OF YOUR'S IS TRULY UP AND ONTO A COMPLETELY NEW LEVEL OF PERFECTION IN CLPA ART!
CONGRATULATIONS AND ALL THE BEST WISHES IN THE UP COMING FLYING SEASON.
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Stunning,just stunning, whats the finish? Where can I get a set of your plans? Id even swing for a set of Lazer parts, possible??Those guys at VSC next year have a heavy burden to tote if they think they can top your planes fit and finish.!! What a beauty,top ten Ive ever seen!Thanks for sharing, now I gotta go refinish my Playboy and Ares ,Argus too!! Look like cheap Imitation compared with your fit and finish.. All the best! Rob F
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Shultzie,
hveing dabbled a bit in some RC,, ( shhh dont tell ok) It is pretty amazing what has become of the hobby development wise, I am however appaled that in that picture with the newest member of your clan, there is an RC MODEL, and no indication that you are fighting that corruption with something control line, I mean come on man,, lets get with it.
as for the Avenger,, again, top secret, I have been looking at this model thinking how slick it could be with an electric drivetrain,,, hmmmmmm
I have a set of plans for you seriously,, if your coming to watch in Portland, I will bring them otherwise email me your address and I will mail them out to you,,
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While I was re-attaching a photo....of a possible half A model of that old Seahawker....I just read your last post.
Yes!
I would love to be on hand to bear wittness to your first Portland test flights on that beautiful and creative CLPA work of art.
Just one question?
Why Portland...when we have one amazingly gifted WORLD CHAMPION CLPA flyer who has been documented to be the best CLPA TEST PILOT JOCKEY'S TO EVER GRACE THIS PLANET EARTH ? H^^ #^ #^ #^ #^
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Well, given my current employment status, I probably wont be able to make two trips over to the west side before the portland contest. So what I am thinking is that perhaps I will come over a few days early on the week of the contest and work on trim Thursday and Friday. It remains to be seen for sure yet, still planning.
I would LOVE to have Pauls help trimming ,, we will just have to see how it plays out. I will let you know for sure what the plan is as soon as I can. It would make me happy to have you see the beast before I commit it to the stunt gods for its first flight, after all, you NEVER KNOW<,,,
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Well, given my current employment status, I probably wont be able to make two trips over to the west side before the portland contest. So what I am thinking is that perhaps I will come over a few days early on the week of the contest and work on trim Thursday and Friday. It remains to be seen for sure yet, still planning.
Yes...PORTLAND....That makes sense.... "KILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE!" ~^ OPPPS! ~^ n1 SO TO SPEAKUTH TRASH TALK!!!!THAT WAS SUCH AN UNCALLED FOR BAD BAD BAD BAD ATTEMPT AT SIC' HUMOR!!!!
Be it our beloved gifted Paul Walker or the unworthiest' of the worst of da' worstest ol' toot Shultz'n' hi murrrr'...TRULY ONE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THEIR LAST GIG OR FRIGHT FLIGHT~ ~^ H^^ n~
"MAY THE LORDS OF STUNTDOME...SHINE UPON YOU DURING THOSE FIRST TEST RIDES!"
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OUCH,,
yeah lets hope I wont be killing any birds Shultzie,, sheesh,, especially to ME the king of crash lol,,
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OUCH,,
yeah lets hope I wont be killing any birds Shultzie,, sheesh,, especially to ME the king of crash lol,,
LL~ n~
HEY! "The king of crash???? I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK...MARK! I THOUGHT THAT WAS MY NAME?
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Mark's managed some rather creative ways to put a plane in. But I'm still the king of crash after the USA-1 went in at Vancouver BC. That was the most spectacular crash I've ever seen.
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Mark's managed some rather creative ways to put a plane in. But I'm still the king of crash after the USA-1 went in at Vancouver BC. That was the most spectacular crash I've ever seen.
Wow! Any photos of that USA of yours to post for us... CLP**????
Randy...Have you returned from the Sunny lands....because of this great weather today...you must have packaged it up down there and brought it back home with you!!! LL~ H^^
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Shultzie,
Yea, got back on Sunday. Still recovering.
I have some pictures of the USA-1 at home somewhere.
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Shulzie Here is another I beam called Avenger. Does any one know who the the well known builder is? I will give you a clue, his wife is Paula. How about that famous piece of runway,where is that?
Ed
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Shulzie Here is another I beam called Avenger. Does any one know who the the well known builder is? I will give you a clue, his wife is Paula. How about that famous piece of runway,where is that?
Ed
Ed,
Builder was Larry Barickman.
I "think" the "famous piece of runway" is Whitehouse.
How many did I get correct?
Roger Vizioli
Merritt Island,FL
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Roger that was to easy for a Florida guy. Yes you are correct on both. I only saw this model twice.I think Larry had problems with it and set it aside.I believe he had a Aldrich reworked 40 in it and it was underpowered. It he didn't crash it Paula must still have it.
Ed
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Shulzie
It sure looks a lot like the Gladiator. I have never seen a Gladiator so I looked in theClassic Era book by Tom Morris and also on the CD with the classic and old time models and articles in it. I said it was a I beam but maybe I was wrong. Here is another view of the plane. Larry was a very talented builder. I came across the picture as I was getting a group of Larry's pictures of him and his planes to post in the AS Time goes By section. Larry and Paula were good friends and Paula helped my wife Rebecca do flight totals and all the paper work at the Tampa Bay line Flyers Contests many years ago. Here is another view of the plane. I think the tail moment is longer on Larry's version. I remember it seemed long when I took the picture.
EddyR
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Congratulations...on your CLPA win in Portland and showing me those great first flight trim flights on this NEW AGE AVENGER of yours.
Here is just one shot from last weekend's Portland Spring tune up fest and a couple from Flying lines. PAAAASOOOOLUTELEEE'ABSOTIVEEELEEEE' BEEEEEUUUUTTEEEEFUL WORK OF CLPA-ART!
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Yea, Mark handed me his camera with minimal instruction and said, here, take some pictures for Shultzie, then went flying.
Glad I got the plane in the frame at at least once. The plane looks wicked in the air.
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Randy, you actually got the plane in about half the pictures ;)
just a brief update on the trimming process, I am kinda lazy today,, got back from portland about one this morning,, only about 7 hours drive,, not as long as Pats,, so instead of rewriting the whole thing, I am just pasting the report I made to Shultzie via email..
Trimming is progressing nicely, Scott and I bench trimmed it to the expected specs, then added a 1/4 ounce tip weight, a half ounce nose weight, and moved the leadouts back an 1/8 for insurance.
After about a dozen flights, I have removed the tip weight, moved the lead-outs forward, moved the landing gear forward, and narrowed my handle spacing a fair amount. as well as shortening the down line at the handle, now she flies pretty honest. I found that trying to do the top of the squares, it was wanting to drift towards the canopy, and level flight wanted to be at 7 or 8 feet. After conferring with Pat and Randy, I decided the trick was to shorten the down line, which then would let the plane fly level across the top of the squares when I hold my hand in its muscle memory position, same with level flight. It made a HUGE difference. Then moved the lead-outs forward a bit to eliminate some yaw. Its flying pretty well now. I decided that I would not fly it in the contest, just not enough handle time for me yet. I started out with a Thunder tiger 12.5 x 5.5 prop, Randy's recommendation, I set the needle for 8800 rpm, and had 5.0 to 5.1 second lap times right off the bat. after several flights, Pat suggested I try the paddle prop he had on his shark some years ago, its smaller diameter, but wider blades. The first flight on it I was doing 5.4 second laps, with BETTER line tension even flying slower,, very interesting in deed. got the lap times back to the 5.1 range and its pretty happy now. the Squares have settled down, after I narrowed the handle spacing. Two sad notes, the first flight, as I landed, I moved my hand to neutral position as I do with all my other planes. I had the gear to far back apparently, and it tipped up onto its nose scraping the bottom of the cowl badly. I can repair it, and fix it with a dark trim colored scallop most likely. I was really hoping it got the spinner, much easier to fix,, sigh, oh well. The second thing, about flight 6 after landing, Randy says, hey your pilot committed suicide,, nice, the pilots head broke off at the neck. Now THAT pissed me off, but what can you do. I have a game plan for fixing it, just going to take some time. Short story, she flies wonderful so far, no major vices, and rock solid at level flight. PLENTY of corner,, and nice smooth rounds. I hope I can get more time on her before regional s, I think she will serve me well.
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Sounds like great first flight reports, Mark! When the airplane gives you confidence through it's looks and manners, you automatically fly better. y1
Keep on working with it, it should really do the job for you!
Big Bear