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Quiz on a Russian stunter
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:15:11 PM »
I have made full size drawings from a three view of Anatoliey Kolesnikov’s KA-5 5.6 cc (.35) size airplane and am starting to build.  I know it will be N30 legal but think it might be Classic legal.  Anybody know for sure?  I know the KA -8 and -10 are N30 but obviously the ‘5’ came before.  I doubt it was on the classic list here- but where is the list?

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Re: Quiz on a Russian stunter
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2020, 04:59:21 PM »
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Re: Quiz on a Russian stunter
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2020, 07:53:45 PM »
" I Doubt it ' .

so do I .

HOLD ON .

Legend of the world F2B "Anatoly Kolesnikov"
Recently I managed to fulfill my old dream and lively chat with the legendary person in the world history of cordial aerobatics Anatoly Kolesnikov. For connoisseurs of the history of our cordial sport, I want to briefly outline the story of Anatoly about his life and sports career.
Anatoly began to engage in modeling in his hometown of Frunze now Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan. At that time in Frunze the aerobatic class was very poorly developed and Kolesnikov, like all the kids, flew on various 2.5 cc aerobatic models, later he managed to get the MVVS 5.6 AL from his words the motor worked well but because of the “original” design of the thrust washer which rests directly on the non-bite shaft cone, the air often turned off. screw...
Later, Anatoly goes to study at the Aviation Institute in Riga and gets into a model for Karl Plocins himself, who was just finishing the creation of a new motor of his design with gas distribution with a disc valve, like that of MVVS 5.6 A. Among experienced associates, his career begins to develop rapidly. he took his 5.6 cc aerobatic engine based on the OS Max 35S sump, which he molded by making matrices for waxes and subsequent investment casting. With the new KA-5 model and its 5.6 cc engine, Anatoly takes 5th place at the very first international competitions of the socialist countries, and his flights look no worse than the leading aerobatics with more powerful 7 cc engines and with many years of authority in sports.
After the institute, Anatoly returns to his hometown and realizing that the possibilities of his equipment have been exhausted, he creates a new model KA-8 with increased dimensions and a more powerful power plant. Having no powerful production base at hand, and most importantly casting, he orders 4 Talka 7 engines by mail through the posttorg, using only a crankcase from this motor, all other main parts of the motor are made anew, thanks to which the volume increases to 8 cubes, just during this period the hoods of the Anatoly models take their original original form with two lateral convex nostrils in one of which is the knee of the muffler which then goes back inside the fuselage and goes outside throwing the exhaust through the vent hole channel, there were options with a classic silencer protruding to the side of the fuselage. For the first time, Kolesnikov put up on a new model: a motor, a wing and a stabilizer in one axis. The main landing gear of the Ka-8 model had a wire structure similar to the KA-5 with shock absorption using the elastic properties of the wire, but due to a more powerful motor, a beautiful take-off of the model does not work, the model from the very beginning of the run turns around very much, loses speed and burrows, and only a careful adjustment of the orientation of the wheels and a specific starting point with respect to the direction of the wind allow accident-free flying on this model, raising the model immediately after a short run. On all his subsequent models, Anatoly will make more rigid chassis fixed to the fuselage. With KA-8 Kolesnikov for the first time wins the title of European Champion. The main landing gear of the Ka-8 model had a wire structure similar to the KA-5 with shock absorption using the elastic properties of the wire, but due to a more powerful motor, a beautiful take-off of the model does not work, the model from the very beginning of the run turns around very much, loses speed and burrows, and only a careful adjustment of the orientation of the wheels and a specific starting point with respect to the direction of the wind allow accident-free flying on this model, raising the model immediately after a short run. On all his subsequent models, Anatoly will make more rigid chassis fixed to the fuselage. With KA-8 Kolesnikov for the first time wins the title of European Champion. The main landing gear of the Ka-8 model had a wire structure similar to the KA-5 with shock absorption using the elastic properties of the wire, but due to a more powerful motor, a beautiful take-off of the model does not work, the model from the very beginning of the run turns around very much, loses speed and burrows, and only a careful adjustment of the orientation of the wheels and a specific starting point with respect to the direction of the wind allow accident-free flying on this model, raising the model immediately after a short run. On all his subsequent models, Anatoly will make more rigid chassis fixed to the fuselage. With KA-8 Kolesnikov for the first time wins the title of European Champion. it loses speed and burrows, and only a careful adjustment of the orientation of the wheels and a certain starting point in relation to the direction of the wind allow accident-free flying on this model, raising the model immediately after a short run. On all his subsequent models, Anatoly will make more rigid chassis fixed to the fuselage. With KA-8 Kolesnikov for the first time wins the title of European Champion. it loses speed and burrows, and only a careful adjustment of the orientation of the wheels and a certain starting point in relation to the direction of the wind allow accident-free flying on this model, raising the model immediately after a short run. On all his subsequent models, Anatoly will make more rigid chassis fixed to the fuselage. With KA-8 Kolesnikov for the first time wins the title of European Champion.
The next champion model KA-10 was practically an analogue of KA-8 with only the fuselage main racks. By that time, Anatoly was approved for a state scholarship and he was able to leave the routine work familiar to all people for the sake of his daily bread, devoting himself to a completely model sport without worrying about wealth in his family. According to Anatoly, his native cordodrome in the center of Bishkek helped him a lot, located on one side, close to a two-story club of young technicians, on the other, a 5-storey residential building, trainings were held with a constantly changing wind direction with strong turbulence, this helped him twist his figures on the tour always strictly on the judges, even with a wind in the face. The geometry of the figures was regularly, especially before leaving for the competition, corrected by his brother Nikolai, who also actively mastered cordial aerobatics. All this, combined with innate talent, frenzied determination and discipline, could not but lead to the fact that Anatoly defeated all competitors at the 1986 World Cup Hungary, judges from the USSR, Sirotkin Yu, were among the lowest in the standings of Anatoly, after which the Sirotkin after the championship was ambiguous hinted ... Yuri joked like pulling did not see the point; everything is obvious to everyone ... Of the other factors accompanying Anatolia at the World Cup Hungary there were weather conditions - heat for 35 degrees, discharged air, poplars around the cordodrome it was all recently in training at home and additional equipment configuration is required, by the way the other pilot from our team Sergey Klychkov in the first flight on reversmane at loss in thin air priter model back then for all the sleepless night followed by recovery,
But the efforts were not in vain, Klychkov showed an excellent result became the 6th and it was in him that Anatoly saw his successor. Anatoly was especially struck by the Klychkov motor - the bearing with a colored pair and a large 3-bladed propeller was unusually powerful, but at the same time, after an energetic take-off, the model seemed to rest on something and slowly performed the entire complex.
The scheme of the KA-10 model turns out to be very successful, on the following modifications Kolesnikov lowers the wing and the stabilizer 15 mm below the axis of the motor, but then it is placed strictly in the axis of the vertical central model. On such models, Anatoly twice becomes the second at the 1988 World Cup. Kiev and 1990 France.
Keeping pace with the times and increasing the all-weather technology by the year 91, Kolesnikov is developing a 9.5 cc K-51 motor in his new crankcase but without changing his structurally well-tuned design - the shaft in the crankcase sliding sleeve, black pair, everything is as simple as a connecting rod without bushings, installing the K-51 on its most extreme similar to the Champion's KA-10 but already fully collapsible models, Anatoly twice more becomes the European Champion.
Now Anatoly is 68 years old, his 3 adult children live their own lives separately, Anatoly, together with his brother, is engaged in the automobile business, he replaced aerobatic models with regular paragliding flights from mountains nearby to the city, and in winter downhill skiing, according to vital energy he will give odds to many of my friends and acquaintances in their 30..40 years. Having talked with Anatoly, I was sincerely glad that I managed to get to know this real person a little closer with a capital letter, and at the same time it was a shame in my soul that in my generation there were practically no people with such a strong character, extraordinary charisma, and noble life principles .. .



Theres something to be said for Dixons appoach , if he matches the weight & halve the production time .

I will p.m. the link (s)  the firewall computor migth bug out . This is a public library computor here .

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Re: Quiz on a Russian stunter
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2020, 08:06:04 PM »


"
       Recently I managed to fulfill my old dream and lively chat with the legendary person in the world history of cordial aerobatics Anatoly Kolesnikov. For connoisseurs of the history of our cordial sport, I want to briefly outline the story of Anatoly about his life and sports career.

Kravchenko Pavel "


     Anatoly began to engage in modeling in his hometown of Frunze now Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan. At that time in Frunze the aerobatic class was very poorly developed and Kolesnikov, like all the kids, flew on various 2.5 cc aerobatic models, later he managed to get the MVVS 5.6 AL from his words the motor worked well but because of the “original” design of the support washer which rests directly on a non-bite shaft cone, the propeller often loosens ...


Anatoly later goes to study at the Aviation Institute in Riga and gets into a “model” to Karl Plocins himself who was just finishing the creation of a new motor of his design with gas distribution with a disk valve like that of MVVS 5.6 A.

Among experienced associates, his career begins to develop sharply, he creates his own 5,6 cc aerobatic engine, taking as a basis the OS Max 35S sump, which he molded by making matrices for waxes and subsequent investment casting.

 

     With the new KA-5 model and its 5.6 cc engine, Anatoly takes 5th place at the very first international competitions of the socialist countries, and his flights look no worse than leading aerobatics with more powerful 7 cc engines and many years of authority in sports.





From left to right: Alexander Listopad, Anatoly Kolesnikov, Vladimir Yeskin


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Re: Quiz on a Russian stunter
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2020, 08:11:05 PM »
RIGHT ! reasearch is only $ 100 U.S. per hour !  LL~


Pilot cord model Anatoly Kolesnikov
        Our modellers know well the champion of the USSR in aircraft modeling sports A. Kolesnikov, although Soviet acrobats did not take part in recent world championships. In 1978, he took third place after our U. Gabrish and his USSR colleagues A. Listopad in the comparative competition of the socialist countries in Czestochow, Poland. His model KA-5 is interesting already starting from the engine; A. Kolesnikov uses an amateur K 35 engine with a displacement of 5.83 cm3.

 Model description

     The wing has a symmetrical profile with a maximum thickness of 16%. Balm ribs 3 mm thick with relief. The beam consists of two pine strips with a section of 7x3 mm at the base of the wing and 4 x 2.5 mm at the end; the other. The front strip 22 x 10 mm and the drain rail 10 x 10 mm are made of balsa. The leading part and the center of the wing have a hard balsa coating. 2 mm. Solid balsa flaps are mounted on hinges of thin sheet metal and wire, their maximum angle is ± 30 °. At the end of the outer end of the wing there is a mortise load of 20 to 25 g and an M4 screw, which is used to attach the brake lining. In the inner part of the wing, the output of the control wires is arranged so that you can change the location of their output.

The horizontal plumage of balsa has a symmetrical profile with a maximum thickness of 7%. The front and rear edges are reinforced with pine stripes. The rudder area is 55% of the entire plumage, the maximum angle is ± 40 °.

The fuselage consists of a motor part, upper and lower parts, frames and balsa sidewalls. The engine crankcase is bolted to the hornbeam frame, on which the plywood partition is glued to the rear. 2 mm. Plywood is glued to the frame from the sides. 1 mm Between the engine and the plywood partition, the balsa partitions are glued to the frame, defining a space for the fuel tank. The front ring is glued to the front of the engine frame and extends to the propeller cone. The finished motor part is glued to the top of the fuselage, to which the balsa partitions are glued. After drying, the lower part of the fuselage is glued to the bulkheads, in which two holes are drilled in front so that air passes through the cooling engine. The connection between the upper and lower parts of the fuselage is glued by the wing and the VOP and control rods are built. After installing the control, the seam is covered with balsa sides. The balsa keel does not deviate; traction in the cables provides a brake mark on the wing. The wheels of the chassis are hollowed out of balsa.

Weight analysis of the model: wing 315 g, fuselage 210 g, engine group 270 g, GTC 40 g, SOP 15 g, chassis 50 g.

Information from Modelar Magazine

According to the magazine Wings of the Motherland 3/1980



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Re: Quiz on a Russian stunter
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2020, 09:34:29 PM »
   Dave ,
     Your plane looks a lot  like the Spacehound.
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Re: Quiz on a Russian stunter
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2020, 07:09:25 AM »
Thank You Air Ministry.  You helped answer the question.  This is definitely Nostalgia 30.  The engine history was interesting.  I was under the impression he used the standard MVVS 5.6.  I have a couple Tono 5.6 to use in it.  These are also rear valve and also built in Prague at about the same time by a top flier Mr. Staris.  My drawings are dimensionally correct in all ways but had be creative a bit with the airfoil since there seems to be no accurate scalable drawing.  It actually pretty close to my Sukhoi profile airplane.
Yes John, Kevin came by and saw the drawings and made the same remark (he has one of the Spacehound kits) and I agree.  Sirotkin and Kolesnikov were contemporaries of each other and likely traded ideas.  Kevin plans to put a Raduga 7 in his.
I have a few different 'Iron Curtain' stunt engines and it's interesting to build some of these airplanes that were sort of lost to the western world and fit original engines to them.

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Re: Quiz on a Russian stunter
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2020, 06:24:05 PM »
Dont tell Kieth that a FSR 45 OS Sleeve & piston will drop straight into a Raduga 7 . The Forigners put MDS sets in em , requires machineing .
As does a T Tiger 46 Pro sleeve . But the head bolt patterns ' bolt on ' if not exact . Bore Case the 1 mm or 1/2 mm or whatever . Machine head OD , so nobody knows . !
use the raduga rod . Likely its open hemi chamber shape , too .
Open the case Exhaust port to match the liner . 1/4 Dia x something wide . Already done that, no worries . Next steps boring  the T T 46 sleeve, port hights good .

Was going to Arc Weld the Counterweight . (maybe wont need it with the lighter piston ? ) Original Aeromodelor picture had a cresent cutaway rather than straight flank .
So that one at least had more counterweight . Welding Cranks insnt uncommon. Steel Ones , Once anyway . Maybe throw in oil , when dull red , for temper .





Was common to weld a Holden rear section , onto a Ford 221 / 3.6 Ford , steel cranks . To stroke the Olden .  Mask anywhere ya dinaye want splatter .
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The airfoils just about purloinable on the Russian Forum , Tho the 16 or 10 . The ' K A ' is obviously Koleskinov Anatoly , not the familiar .

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Re: Quiz on a Russian stunter
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2020, 06:37:17 PM »
If ' the Facts ' on Tom Dixons version are right , It'll have the right airfoil . For a KA 10 , at least .

Sonds like the KA started off with the Akrobat / Talka 42 . Or Akrobat then someone refined / productionised it , to the ' Talka 7 ' .

The ' A K 9 ' im told is 23 x 23 , 9 c.c. - The KA 10 / 16 Engine . Below . Supposed to have been only a few made , they say .







You can about flog the ( 16 ) airfoil here, or ' snipping tool ' the ' 10 's from that drawing . Almost comes out clear . Spindle moulded L E and all .




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