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Title: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on June 23, 2009, 05:09:09 PM
I got a Brodak Cobra short kit, and I'm trying to come up with a paint scheme.  So far I came up with 5, and I don't like any of them.  If anybody has a Cobra, post it here please, help get my ideas flowing.
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: dave shirley jr on June 23, 2009, 11:38:09 PM
I went with the shelby cobra look,
427 version of course.
since steve wooley was a sports car racer as well as modeler i think he would have approved.
Dave jr.
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Randy Powell on June 24, 2009, 08:45:27 AM
Hmm, no pic of it done ... the second time.
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Jim Pollock on June 24, 2009, 05:00:32 PM
I like Paul Walkers with the Cobra painted on the wing as Nr. 1, but Randy's Cobra Gurl is a very close 2nd.

Anyone got a pic of Paul's Snake Plane?

Jim Pollock   H^^
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Dennis Saydak on July 06, 2009, 02:28:48 PM
Yep ...

Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Jim Pollock on July 06, 2009, 04:35:25 PM
There ya go Matt.

Dennis posted Paul Walkers VSC winning Black, Bronze and Silver snake plane.  When trimming yours pay very close attention to where the leadouts are set on this one!

Jim Pollock   :o
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on July 07, 2009, 06:45:51 AM
There ya go Matt.

Dennis posted Paul Walkers VSC winning Black, Bronze and Silver snake plane.  When trimming yours pay very close attention to where the leadouts are set on this one!

Jim Pollock   :o

Maybe I should ask him a good starting point for the Cobra for trimming.  That is a very nice Cobra.  I think I'm getting close to a paint scheme, after coming up with over 30 different schemes.

Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Dennis Saydak on July 07, 2009, 11:10:56 AM
Matt, I can email you a Cobra decal file if you want to print out your own decal. Let me know. My wife did the artwork for the Umland Cobra kit decal.
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on July 07, 2009, 11:18:34 AM
Go right ahead.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: James Mills on July 09, 2009, 02:07:11 PM
Hmm, no pic of it done ... the second time.
Randy,

My 7 year old said it was really cool, my wife slapped me on the back of the head (for some reason for some LL~) because of the decoration on the yellow paint scheme.


James
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Randy Powell on July 10, 2009, 11:31:50 AM
Unfortunately, I lost all the pictures on my computer. I usually get a hint when a hard drive is going to puke, but this time, it was fine then it was gone. I had recently backed up my /home directory which included all my stunt stuff, but wouldn't you know, there is a DVD error and I can't retrieve them. I keep hoping I'll come up with an idea. Figures, the one time I don't do a validation check....

So, no pictures of the Cobra completed. I even lost the cool decal of the hot girl. Sigh...
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Shultzie on July 10, 2009, 05:11:11 PM
Unfortunately, I lost all the pictures on my computer. I usually get a hint when a hard drive is going to puke, but this time, it was fine then it was gone. I had recently backed up my /home directory which included all my stunt stuff, but wouldn't you know, there is a DVD error and I can't retrieve them. I keep hoping I'll come up with an idea. Figures, the one time I don't do a validation check....

So, no pictures of the Cobra completed. I even lost the cool decal of the hot girl. Sigh...
yesterday.....I had to retrieve my DVD player...(for some reason....I had no sound or photos after playing a kite video on GWTW kite site
...but after talking with a nearby neighbor who works for Microsoft, he helped me "restore my window XP media Edition 2005  computer to a previous date" and UUUUUUUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAA!

I am now back in businesssssssssssssssssssss? Any chance that might work for you Randellldandle?  H^^ n~
Gads...he can't believe i was soooooo dumb. It took him about 3 minutes to talk me through it.
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Randy Powell on July 10, 2009, 09:28:40 PM
Shultzie,

Sorry, this is a No-Microsoft-Zone. I had a hardware failure, not a software one. The hardrive interface (in the hardrive) failed. Doesn't happen much, but it does happen. The drive was less than a year old and Seagate actually replaced it under warranty (how often does that happen?). I had back up all my stuff on 5 DVDs. 4 were fine. The 5th (that had all my stunt stuff - pictures, etc. plus some other stuff like vacation pictures) had some sort of defect and I can't retrieve most of what's on it. Usually, I do a validation check after writing a DVD, but this time I was in a hurry and, well, you know the rest.

Since this, I now have a SATA mirrored RAID setup (two Seagate 750gig drives), so this won't happen again unless the planets align and both drives fail simultaneously.

Sorry for the deviation from topic, Matt. Good luck with the Cobra. It's a very cool plane.
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on July 13, 2009, 06:43:45 AM
Well I came up with a paint scheme for the cobra.  I'm going to use Bill Werwage's paint scheme from his 62 Ares, but a couple small things changed around, but it is a lot like it.  For the base color, I'm going to take silver and mix green in it until I'm happy to get a silver green sort of paint.  now will white cover a silver green ok?

Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Randy Powell on July 13, 2009, 02:16:26 PM
I'm sure Bill will love having a Cobra out there with an Ares paint scheme.   ;D
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: steven yampolsky on July 17, 2009, 08:23:18 PM
Oooh! Scallops. I'm stealing this trim!

(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12996.0;attach=44550)
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on July 18, 2009, 07:43:14 AM
I'm sure Bill will love having a Cobra out there with an Ares paint scheme.   ;D

There both classic planes, both I-beamers, a lot of similarities in the design so I'm sure he would be happy.

Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Eric Viglione on July 18, 2009, 01:10:39 PM
Randy - If you can find another identical drive, swap the PCB's on the bottom and the drive will be fine if it's just an electronic problem. I do it all the time. The "bay" can be a source for older models...
Hope you didn't toss or abuse the drive yet...
EricV

Shultzie,

Sorry, this is a No-Microsoft-Zone. I had a hardware failure, not a software one. The hardrive interface (in the hardrive) failed. Doesn't happen much, but it does happen. The drive was less than a year old and Seagate actually replaced it under warranty (how often does that happen?). I had back up all my stuff on 5 DVDs. 4 were fine. The 5th (that had all my stunt stuff - pictures, etc. plus some other stuff like vacation pictures) had some sort of defect and I can't retrieve most of what's on it. Usually, I do a validation check after writing a DVD, but this time I was in a hurry and, well, you know the rest.

Since this, I now have a SATA mirrored RAID setup (two Seagate 750gig drives), so this won't happen again unless the planets align and both drives fail simultaneously.

Sorry for the deviation from topic, Matt. Good luck with the Cobra. It's a very cool plane.
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: steven yampolsky on July 21, 2009, 07:56:36 AM
Unfortunately, I lost all the pictures on my computer. I usually get a hint when a hard drive is going to puke, but this time, it was fine then it was gone. I had recently backed up my /home directory which included all my stunt stuff, but wouldn't you know, there is a DVD error and I can't retrieve them. I keep hoping I'll come up with an idea. Figures, the one time I don't do a validation check....

So, no pictures of the Cobra completed. I even lost the cool decal of the hot girl. Sigh...

The easiest way to ensure no data ever gets lost is online backup service. For a nominal yearly fee, you can have all you data backed up. I looked at 5 major online backup service providers and Carbonite came out on top in every category. Carbonite installs a tiny app on you computer and goes to work backup up your drive's. There is NO limit on how much data it can backup. My current backup is 500GB in size. Total cost: $40/year.
I used to run my hard drives in mirrored RAID mode but it just no worth it. For the price of a 500GB mirrored drive I am able to get 2 years of service from Carbonite.

www.carbonite.com

Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Randy Powell on July 21, 2009, 11:49:45 AM
Steve,

Well, I'm not much for cloud computing. I have a drive box with an IP address on my home network that my son uses from college to back up all his stuff. And he uses most of the capacity (around 800gigs). I suppose I should use the thing, but I never have. I was just backing up data stuff on DVDs because it was convenient. At least this time I have a different drive configuration with my /home directory on a separate partition. Should make it easier to do backups. And with a mirror raid setup, that should take care of future problems.

Eric,

Not sure what the problem was. I sent the drive to Seagate and they sent me a new drive. I went to Tiger and bought another one just like the one that Seagate sent and set them up in a mirror (750gig SATA drives). So it may by that they will just refurbish the old drive and resell it. Who knows.

On the Cobra: Interestingly, that paint scheme ended up being quite odd. What you see it the pic is before clear coat. The clear had an inordinate amount of alabaster pearl in it. The effect was kinda odd when flying it in the sun at VSC. Go to do a loop and the reflection of the sun would turn the plane completely silver at certain points. So it would sort of color shift as it went through a maneuver. Don't know what the judges thought, but I found it a bit distracting. While kinda cool, I probably won't do that again.
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Ironbomb on July 28, 2009, 01:44:15 PM
Matt, your Cobra is freekin excellent! I dig the green/silver color. How long did it take you to go from the kit to inverted flight? I could use a few months off of work to get some of my (lack of) building frustrations satisfied. Well done Matt, see you at Brodaks on day.  ~>

Happy flying

Greg
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on July 28, 2009, 03:46:42 PM
Matt, your Cobra is freekin excellent! I dig the green/silver color. How long did it take you to go from the kit to inverted flight? I could use a few months off of work to get some of my (lack of) building frustrations satisfied. Well done Matt, see you at Brodaks on day.  ~>

Happy flying

Greg

It's Bill Werwage's Ares, not a Cobra.  Here is what I have done: All the ribs are on the wing, the fuselage doublers on, the stab and rudder done, that's it.  Due to a lack of space, I'm building the wing outside the body, then putting it in the fuselage.

Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Ironbomb on July 29, 2009, 07:14:32 AM
HA! now I really feel foolish  b1 .    I thought those pics was your plane. Still, yours will be as cool. keep us updated on your progress. It was pictures of the Cobra that made me want to get back into C/L. I had never seen such a cool looking plane before. That was a few years ago. Cant wait to build mine.

Greg
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on July 29, 2009, 07:39:30 AM
HA! now I really feel foolish  b1 .    I thought those pics was your plane. Still, yours will be as cool. keep us updated on your progress. It was pictures of the Cobra that made me want to get back into C/L. I had never seen such a cool looking plane before. That was a few years ago. Cant wait to build mine.

Greg

I'll post pics of how far I'm into construction for my Cobra.  The Cobra wing is already turning out better than my Ares wing.  I made up jigs, and a bunch of other stuff to try and keep this wing straight.  All the ribs are on, now I need to mount the bellcrank, and put the wingtips on, then round the leading edge and taper the trailing edge.  I think it's coming along great.

Greg, I've had those kind of moments before, I know how you feel
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: john e. holliday on July 29, 2009, 09:34:06 AM
You are building the I-Beam wing version?  If so how are you going to get it in the fuse?  If you cut the fuse like a normal stunt design I think you are going to weaken it.  Don't know if you have seen the video on I-Beam wings yet or not.  In reality it takes up less room.  Try the Staggerwing Beechcraft designed by Jack Sheeks.  Had enough room to turn the building board when I needed to. 

I used to have a plane that had what I called a semi I-beam.  The wing was built with the center ribs left loose on the spar, trailing and leading edge.  Then slots were cut to slide the wing up into the fuse.  Made for a very weak fuse and it curved up when the slots were cut.  I plan on doing another one, but, build the fuse first with the holes for the spar, leading and trailing edges.   Anywas keep us posted.  DOC Holliday
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on July 29, 2009, 09:58:08 AM
DOC, I see what you are saying that cutting the fuse like a normal stunt design could weaken it, but for fillets, we use Brodak aeropoxy lite, BH-924.  The stuff dries incredibly stiff, and it really strengthens a joint.  When my grandfather's big job went in, the canopy didn't break where it was joined at the fuselage.  The wing didn't break at the joint, and the fillet was the aeropoxy lite.  It's a bit on the heavy side, but I think it is worth it.

Edit:  Also DOC, I'm building on a little table big enough for the wing, because grandpa took the big table for the rebuild of his Big Job.  I have my Oriental Plus right now stored in their burner room, because of the lack of space we have.  We always joke around saying that we'll send grandma to Florida for a month, and when she gets back, the wall where the workshop is, would be extended 10 feet  LL~
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: john e. holliday on August 03, 2009, 08:07:43 AM
Thanks for not being hard on me.  Where are the pictures of the build?  Now as far as extending the wall of the shop you might reconsider it.  Don't know the size of your property or the building codes, but, I now have experience on building a shop.  I didn't realize how much stuff I had in the basement, but, codes and family wouldn't let me go any bigger.  Keep us posted on your build.  DOC Holliday
Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Matt Colan on August 03, 2009, 08:26:41 AM
Thanks for not being hard on me.  Where are the pictures of the build?  Now as far as extending the wall of the shop you might reconsider it.  Don't know the size of your property or the building codes, but, I now have experience on building a shop.  I didn't realize how much stuff I had in the basement, but, codes and family wouldn't let me go any bigger.  Keep us posted on your build.  DOC Holliday

That should be something I should do.  Next time I head over to grandpa's I'll post pics.

Title: Re: Post your Cobra here
Post by: Bill Little on August 07, 2009, 11:55:07 AM
Hi Matt,

You'll love the Cobra, they fly great.

Paul W.'s plane is a virtual copy of Steve's paint scheme except for the colors.  I have Steve's orginal colors matched by computer in Chromabase.

As to the *wing outside the fuselage deal*, I did one for a client and sheeted the wing center section like a D-Tube wing, but out as far as the root rib went.  Then I built the fuselage like a conventional model.  There was no problem, and it looked like a regular I-Beam when finished.  I sent it as a *Quick Built Kit*, all in pieces, so to speak.

Mongo