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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2016, 09:08:14 PM »
Working on the bottom block. Plane is flipped over and still in the jig. Hope to have it hanging in the air in the next couple of days. It's coming along.
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« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2016, 10:43:52 PM »
Go, Randy, go.
Post more pictures if you can.
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2016, 01:39:46 PM »
Ty,

When I built the Avenger, Don Shultz told me that his original weighed 44oz. I worked my butt off to make that plane light. Ended up coming in at 47oz. Told Donnie and he laughed his butt off. Said his actually weighed about 55oz but he told everyone it was 44. Figures.

Here's another pic. The wing LEs and tips are rough shaped. About ready to take it off the jig and do the nose. The rudder is just sitting there. Not attached.
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« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2016, 02:13:14 PM »
Ty,

When I built the Avenger, Don Shultz told me that his original weighed 44oz. I worked my butt off to make that plane light. Ended up coming in at 47oz. Told Donnie and he laughed his butt off. Said his actually weighed about 55oz but he told everyone it was 44. Figures.

Yeah I got the same story from him, lol, what a goof, sure will miss him
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« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2016, 03:04:28 PM »
Beautiful airframe, Randy!
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« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2016, 10:16:30 PM »

 Lookin' great! y1
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« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2016, 10:40:47 PM »
Randy, that thing is so awesome, I cannot wait to see it on the flightline, LOVE the ribs
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« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2016, 02:05:06 PM »
I didn't love them much. Since they are strip ribs, there are 152. And 1/16" at that. Ugh. But it's done. It's interesting anyway.
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« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2016, 08:52:02 PM »
Didn't get as much done today. Had a long honey do list. Such is life.
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« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2016, 09:17:25 PM »
yeah cause then it would shake and vibrate every one of those 144 riblets loose,, soaks the nose with oil, yep thats the ticket,, planned obsolesence so he has a reason to build more LOL

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« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2016, 11:25:14 PM »
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Better than a battery fire, for sure!

I certainly cannot argue that point!!!
especially once that dope got warmed up, oh boy what  a fire that would be
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« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2016, 12:12:52 PM »
Haven't had a battery fire yet, though I thought Mark might have one the way his battery puffed up at Roseburg. That was fun. Cycled out those old Zippys yet?
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« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2016, 01:44:43 PM »
I don't know why folks would buy HK batteries when the prices of TP are now so low when they have their holiday sales. It no longer makes sense to me. The TP batteries seem to be even better than the Hyperions, they ship fast and free over I think $50, and have a 2 year non-crash warranty.
I think they will replace crash damaged batteries for 50% of the non-sale purchase price too.
And their prices on the ProLites have come down.
I likely will not bother buying anything else.
Just my opinion.

AND they are LIGHTER!

About the only downside is that they come without a plug. I can solder, and I hate cutting off an existing plug anyhow.

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« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2016, 01:47:45 PM »
I don't know why folks would buy HK batteries when the prices of TP are now so low when they have their holiday sales. It no longer makes sense to me. The TP batteries seem to be even better than the Hyperions, they ship fast and free over I think $50, and have a 2 year non-crash warranty.
I think they will replace crash damaged batteries for 50% of the non-sale purchase price too.
And their prices on the ProLites have come down.
I likely will not bother buying anything else.
Just my opinion.

AND they are LIGHTER!

About the only downside is that they come without a plug. I can solder, and I hate cutting off an existing plug anyhow.

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because, they are much less than half the price. THey are functional and for the packs I use, I can buy 5 packs for the price of ONE TP pack
but each to their own. I plan to migrate to TP this fall but first I invested my battery budget in a more robust charging system
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« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2016, 05:19:36 PM »
I like the Wild Scorpion batteries.
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« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2016, 06:02:46 PM »
 I like these...  ;D
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« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2016, 07:10:56 PM »
because, they are much less than half the price. THey are functional and for the packs I use, I can buy 5 packs for the price of ONE TP pack
but each to thenoir own. I plan to migrate to TP this fall but first I invested my battery budget in a more robust charging system
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Their pricing came down. A lot.
I'm doubting that during a sale ( about 6 times a year) that you can buy TWO of the HK batteries with shipping, for the cost of one TP battery. Check the TP website and you'll see what I mean.
The 4s batteries for my plane are less than $30, if memory serves me, when on sale. That's pretty reasonable for a quality pack out of Las Vegas. One that you can redeem a warranty on easily.
I'm a penny pincher, but I'm sold.
Check the link, a 4s2200 is $33. Their minimum sale is 25% off, that's about $24.... unless you can get the zippy 4s for $12, your statement doesn't hold water, sir.
http://www.thunderpowerrc.com/Products/2200-mAh/TP2200-4SPX25

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« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2016, 09:26:37 PM »
Chris,
I dont disagree with your perspective and more so where and how you spend your money, however when I sent my money in, what I stated was true. I bought 5 ^6S 2700 batteries for 100$ ( Hobby King has sales too my friend) the TP at that time were over 125$
in the months since I bought mine prices may have changed,
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« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2016, 08:06:22 PM »
Back on topic: I'm taking off tomorrow for a 10 day vacation so no work until then. More pics when I get more done.
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« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2016, 10:11:18 PM »
Safe travels to you and yours. Sorry for the debate on your build thread.
Looking forward to seeing more progress later.
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« Reply #70 on: August 11, 2016, 09:27:55 PM »
Back to grinding the nose. Joy.
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« Reply #71 on: August 12, 2016, 07:49:26 AM »
Make some dust Randy! Just don't breathe it....
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« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2016, 04:42:54 PM »
I'm fitting the electrics bay right now. As always, it's tight in there. Once that's done and I finish up the nose, I'll post some pictures.
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2016, 06:13:26 PM »
Question glues used. I see a bottle of CA in some the photos is that what is being used for most of the build?

I built a number of RC planes a few years ago with CA and seemed to work well and be very strong, just not very sandable.

How would a glue like TiteBond do?

Sorry for the slight departure I like your plane a lot and at the same time if money can be saved and fumes avoided I'm all for it.


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« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2016, 11:53:32 AM »
I use a lot of adhesives. Mostly thin and medium CA. Some epoxy and even a bit of Titebond. Kinda depends on the application. Nothing wrong with Titebond other than the additional weight and drying time.
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« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2016, 02:44:17 PM »
Still futzing with fiddly bits in the nose. I think I have it worked out.
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« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2016, 08:18:56 PM »
Still futzing with fiddly bits in the nose. I think I have it worked out.

 Are the fiddly bits futzed yet?
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« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2016, 09:35:41 PM »
Hey, Wayne.

Been spending all my time working on the house (since the weather has been cooperating). Hopefull, I can get back to it in the next few days. Life interferes.
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« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM »

 10-4, just checking in. ;D
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« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2016, 09:12:29 PM »
OK, just for Wayne, some pics of actual progress.
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« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2016, 11:05:26 PM »

 Whew, looks like the old Powell parts count I remember from a while back. Cool! ;D
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« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2016, 12:03:57 PM »
The little wart on the nose, originally for the uniflow vent (and on the plans) will now house the start button for the timer. Fun plane, but way over complicated. And just about framed up. The canopy is just sitting on there. Some detail sanding on the tail, cockpit and canopy, attach the "hood" over the canopy as on the plans, shape the flaps and elevators and mount them then the horrible job of doing the wheelpants and finally figuring out how to mount the nose wheel and I might be about to start finishing this toad.
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« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2016, 09:54:21 PM »

 Yeah Randy, you're almost done!  :##   
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« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2016, 10:22:58 PM »
Yeah Randy, you're almost done!  :##   
almost done starting?
having done a servicable finish on an I beam type wing, I certainly appreciate the task ahead, sanding my avenger wing was 40 hours every time I put a coat on! and The Avenger only has half the ribs to sand between,, this thing will be awesome if Randy can have the time to do it justice like he is capable of,, this will be sweet
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« Reply #84 on: September 26, 2016, 01:37:59 PM »
Not much work on it. Continuing to pressure wash and paint. It's taking up my every waking hour not spent at work. Joy.
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« Reply #85 on: September 26, 2016, 06:28:43 PM »
Randy,

Since it has a nose gear, the remaining landing gear, is it mounted in the wing or on the fuselage? In the photos I didn't see any way to mount it on the back of the I-Beam.
Just curious.

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« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2016, 11:58:00 AM »
It's a trike with a wing mounted main gear and nose wheel. The wing part wasn't too tough. The original just bolted the gear wire to the spar. I worked out a removable setup. Just gear blocks and a plywood frame that mounted to the spar with a small balsa fairing around it. Still trying to figure out how to build a nose wheel mount that doesn't interfere with battery access. But I'll figure it out. It's supposed to rain most of the weekend here so I'm hoping for some shop time. We'll see.
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« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2016, 12:28:29 PM »
Over complication was the 60's way, man! 40 appearance points.
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« Reply #88 on: September 30, 2016, 10:30:52 PM »
Well, pressure washing is mostly done for this season. Supposed to rain all day tomorrow so I can spend all day in the shop. Rock on.
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« Reply #89 on: October 01, 2016, 09:19:16 PM »
Let me call your wife,  I would bet she has some odd jobs to do. LL~ LL~ LL~
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« Reply #90 on: October 03, 2016, 02:52:38 PM »
Doc, the honey-do list is long, but I'm avoiding it at the moment. The rear of the fuse is finally sanded and fared. Looks pretty good though I suspect not kicking that point on the fuse is going to be a chore. The nose gear is done. Now I'm working out a way over-complicated cowl arrangement (because of the nose wheel, it has to be in two parts). Once that's done and I finish building the arming system, I'll try to assemble all the various parts of the nose, see what doesn't fit or work (though they've all be in there individually) the shape the control surfaces (they are built) and build the wheelpants. That should all be done in the next couple of weeks (with time taken out to head to a contest in Salem, Oregon). Then, hopefully if all goes well, I can start finishing the beast.

I finally managed to secure a very bad picture of the original Mirage III. Far as I can tell, there is only one. The paint appears to be mostly the same as the Mirage II but with red on top instead of blue and a few different flairs. That's probably what I will go with. Should be fun.
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« Reply #91 on: October 15, 2016, 09:36:40 PM »
OK, the hatches on the bottom are about done. A bit of blocking and I will post a picture. Then we'll have to see if all the electrical stuff fits in the front ... at the same time. It's all been fitted individually. The it's onward and upward.

Picks tomorrow, maybe.
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« Reply #92 on: October 15, 2016, 10:01:42 PM »

 Glad to hear you're back on it Randy. Starting to think about building season here in Minnesota, next up is another twin.  VD~
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« Reply #93 on: October 17, 2016, 11:33:57 AM »
Well, finished the hatches except final fitting. Tried to put all the electrics in and of course it doesn't fit. So it's back to the drawing board to figure it out. Too much wire. Have to think on it a bit. And I also realized that I buried the timer under everything. It will make it a pain when first setting it up. Joy. May leave it floating in the bottom of the cowl until I have it sorted.

There is just not that much room in there. But I'll figure it out eventually.
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« Reply #94 on: October 17, 2016, 08:48:32 PM »

 I bet there's room in there for a 5 or 6 ounce tank.  D>K
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« Reply #95 on: October 18, 2016, 02:04:34 PM »
4oz. At most. But I figured out a fix. It will be weird but it will work.

Later: Glad I didn't use my original idea. I figured out an elegant fix. That's why when I have a problem with something, I, well, mull. An answer usually presents itself. Just have to change the way you look at a problem. Cool.
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« Reply #96 on: October 19, 2016, 07:17:07 PM »
That's why when I have a problem with something, I, well, mull. An answer usually presents itself. Just have to change the way you look at a problem. Cool.

 Agreed. I find that during building season, mulling accounts for a lot of sleep loss.

 Carry on Randy... ;D
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #97 on: October 22, 2016, 10:39:14 PM »
Still struggling getting the electrics to fit. But i'm close. Joy.
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #98 on: October 23, 2016, 07:12:32 PM »
Ok, it all fits now (and that took some inventiveness). And I got the hatches fitted pretty well. Now it's on to the control surfaces and wheel pants then final sanding and it's on to the finish. Joy.
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #99 on: October 23, 2016, 09:38:05 PM »
good on ya Randy,,

I am still fitting stuff into the new build room,, and finding homes, and trying to Keep Jackson from getting into stuff,, lol soon I should be able to get back to making balsa shavings
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