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Classic Designs => Classic Planes => Topic started by: Dave_Trible on December 27, 2013, 10:59:16 AM
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Just aquired a new Russian engine-a Raduga 7cc (.42) stunt motor- and think a KA-10 would be a natural choice for it a some point. I'm fairly sure the plans for it are available somewhere but don't know where. Anyone know? Also I remember a Yuri Sirotkin (spelling) Criterium of Aces airplane from the mid 60s that looked sharp. Anyone have clues?
Dave
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Hi. I had one of those Radugas. Never ran it, but it felt excellent. Subsequently they seemed to aquire rather a bad reputation. Maybe give it a good bit of bench running to check it out first.
KA-10 - Not sure about this, but maybe Tom Dixon does a plan?
Sirotkin model? - Spacehound?
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Am pretty sure Tom Dixon has the KA-10 plan. Give him a call...
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Thanks! I'll check him out.
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Just aquired a new Russian engine-a Raduga 7cc (.42) stunt motor- and think a KA-10 would be a natural choice for it a some point. I'm fairly sure the plans for it are available somewhere but don't know where. Anyone know? Also I remember a Yuri Sirotkin (spelling) Criterium of Aces airplane from the mid 60s that looked sharp. Anyone have clues?
The motor makes a great conversation piece but as far as stunt qualities, it's complete junk. The only good thing you can get out of the motor is the lightweight magnesium spinner that came with it.
In order to make it usable for stunt, one needs to replace piston,liner, crankshaft, head, backplate and the crankcase bearing inserts replaces.
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The motor makes a great conversation piece but as far as stunt qualities, it's complete junk. The only good thing you can get out of the motor is the lightweight magnesium spinner that came with it.
In order to make it usable for stunt, one needs to replace piston,liner, crankshaft, head, backplate and the crankcase bearing inserts replaces.
Sounds perfect! I'll make a great engine out of it!
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I've got a set of KA-10 plans. Looks like a good plane.
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It's a good looking ship. I'm seeing that the Raduga might not be enough power for it. Probably perfect for a PA .51. I think the Sirotkin plane I had in mind is the Spacehound. Now to find plans for that.......
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I may have the Spacehound plans.. I'll try to find them tonight. L
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Super! Thanks Lauri!
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Spacehound was a 60's era design. Raduga was a 70's design. How about something Russian from the 70's. To get inches, just divide the number by 25.4.
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Not bad Steven. Might see what FedEx/Kinkos can do with that. I've been liking the Sirotkin airplane since an early age after seeing it in an old American Modeller Annual. Lauri is getting the plans for me from Finland. How's that for international flair?
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Not bad Steven. Might see what FedEx/Kinkos can do with that. I've been liking the Sirotkin airplane since an early age after seeing it in an old American Modeller Annual. Lauri is getting the plans for me from Finland. How's that for international flair?
Let me know if you need any help with translation or additional information. I have been practicing Russian reading and writing over the past two years and am finally proficient enough to post on a Russian CL forum and have people actually understand me!
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That's a bargin. I do well to speak Kansan sometimes, being an old Missouri boy. I'm thinking this will be good for classic when I start flying that more actively. Wonderful as they are you can only see so many Noblers and Ares. There are so many others to choose from. In that time stuff from Eastern Europe seemed exotic and secret somehow. Interesting to really flesh them out.
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The Raduga got here from Prague. It case anyone wanted to see what came from CCCP:
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Everything on the engine is metric. It hits that maybe the glow plug was to- whew, took a good old American plug fine.
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Hopefully in another couple of months we can get some time on that engine. Poor mower is sitting under the tarp waiting for mowing time.
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I know John. Thought I might get a shot to fly this Sunday but I doubt now the snow will be melted off. Then a mud hole anyway.......
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As I sit here ready to leave for Church, I see the trees waving all over the place and stuff blowing off the porch.
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Hi Dave,
I finally got back on line! So, here's what I have for you: The KA 10, need to use a good ST G.51, or slightly bigger like a ST .60. Original had a homemade .54. Tom's plans are a "best guess" as far as the KA10 goes. There are some drawings directly from Mr. Kolesnikov that show some minor differences. This model came about 1988 (he won the Worlds in 1986 with the KA8)
Spacehound: One of my favorite Classic planes. I flew one in competition back when I could fly half way decent. It is a very thin wing, a tiny tail and a HUGE fuselage when depth is concerned. I loved it, the easiest plane to fly round maneuvers ever, but not a hard corner at all. The fuselage shape really accents round maneuvers. I actually use a ST .46 in mine, but Juri used a MVVS .35 in winning the '64 World's with a 10-4 prop turning high rpm (low pitch high rpm run).
Let me know if I can be of help
Big Bear
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Hi Bill! Glad you're back. Had us worried a little. Yes the Spacehound is the plane I saw in that picture as a youngster. I'll build one in the not- to - distant future when I get plans. Lauri I think is going to get them for me if possible from Finland but just in case, you got?
Glad you are back but keep your head down- flack in abundance lately!
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Hi Bill! Glad you're back. Had us worried a little. Yes the Spacehound is the plane I saw in that picture as a youngster. I'll build one in the not- to - distant future when I get plans. Lauri I think is going to get them for me if possible from Finland but just in case, you got?
Glad you are back but keep your head down- flack in abundance lately!
Hi Dave,
Sorry for the late reply, just trying to play catch up! I am sure I have the plans I built from but the Aero Modeller plans are the "real" thing! No difference but drawn way better!
BIG Bear
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Dallas Hanna was kind enough to forward me the plan set. Still on my phone, I'll get to FedEx on my day off and get them downloaded ( before I screw up and lose them).
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Hi Bill! Glad you're back. Had us worried a little. Yes the Spacehound is the plane I saw in that picture as a youngster. I'll build one in the not- to - distant future when I get plans. Lauri I think is going to get them for me if possible from Finland but just in case, you got?
Glad you are back but keep your head down- flack in abundance lately!
I'm pretty sure the Finnish source for Spacehound plans is http://www.modell.yolasite.com/ (his email is there on the front page too, if you patiently look...)
People have dealt with him in English before. I believe Dennis A got a couple of plans from him.
Outerzone has an Aeromodeller plan for Spacehound, for download, if you prefer PDF to paper plans.
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Thank you for that. I think the stuff I got from Dallas will do for the Spacehound but I found a couple others there I want. The Gabris Supermaster and Berkely/Fox Falcon I'll order. My dad built the Falcon in the 60 s from a kit with no plans and some of it missing. Surprisingly it looked pretty much like the picture on the box when done. It was very light and a big floater with the Johnson .35 SS up front. I wrecked it before I knew the pattern.
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Thank you for that. I think the stuff I got from Dallas will do for the Spacehound but I found a couple others there I want. The Gabris Supermaster and Berkely/Fox Falcon I'll order. My dad built the Falcon in the 60 s from a kit with no plans and some of it missing. Surprisingly it looked pretty much like the picture on the box when done. It was very light and a big floater with the Johnson .35 SS up front. I wrecked it before I knew the pattern.
Ah, the Josef Gabris SUPERMASTER! This one of the very best flying of all the Classic ships (except the USA-1, no others in its class!). I have plans and made some parts to the forerunner of the Supermaster, ie: the MASTER. Gabris won the Criterium de Aces in 1958 with that one. I have an almost new Akrobat .42 that has been set up for stunt and it appears to be similar to an ST .46 as to run, etc.. We shall see!
Kaz Minato, or his flying buddy, Hiki, had a Supermaster that could easily be used in Expert.
BIG Bear
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Hi Dave,
I forgot to add that I will be using a Discovery Retro .60 in my KA10 when I get to it. Definitely will be a "Soviet Block" model airplane!
BIG Bear
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Bill that should be interesting! I like the way those I've seen run at the Nats. Like to have one. Thought I was going to get one from someone there this past year but they didn't bring it. So I got his PA .75 instead. These all have been side mounted ala Shark. Will yours be? Wonder if they run the same vertically.
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Bill that should be interesting! I like the way those I've seen run at the Nats. Like to have one. Thought I was going to get one from someone there this past year but they didn't bring it. So I got his PA .75 instead. These all have been side mounted ala Shark. Will yours be? Wonder if they run the same vertically.
Hi Dave,
I talked to a couple guys who are running them outside of the Yatsenko models and they reported that they ran pretty much the same. We will see! If it doesn't work I will just cut into the nose and install a good ST .51.
BIG Bear
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I bet it will be fine. I understand these are best with little to no nitro. They also are using a wide paddle blade prop of unknown dimensions ( to me ). If you DO decide to pass on it and would sell it or trade let me know. Still like to fiddle with one.
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Thank you for that. I think the stuff I got from Dallas will do for the Spacehound but I found a couple others there I want. The Gabris Supermaster and Berkely/Fox Falcon I'll order. My dad built the Falcon in the 60 s from a kit with no plans and some of it missing. Surprisingly it looked pretty much like the picture on the box when done. It was very light and a big floater with the Johnson .35 SS up front. I wrecked it before I knew the pattern.
Just in case you need the Supermaster plan it's in your email Dave!
HH
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Dallas you are incredible! Thank you!
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Dallas just to let you know I downloaded the Super Master PDF and after a few tries to get the scale about right have good plans. The guy at FedEx didn't have any better Czech language skills than I but I guessed a 2" spinner and scaled from there. Actually shot at 1 7/8" but it's metric right? The wheels scaled exactly 2 1/2". Have to be close. Thanks again! Starting to wonder about putting a pipe in........
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I bet it will be fine. I understand these are best with little to no nitro. They also are using a wide paddle blade prop of unknown dimensions ( to me ). If you DO decide to pass on it and would sell it or trade let me know. Still like to fiddle with one.
Hi Dave,
The DR .60 props that came with it are 13.2 X 5.9 (from memory, the props are not in front of me. The optional prop is 13.2 X 6.2. These are very accurately made with a plastic like laminate over them. I already have the first gallon of FAI fuel ready for it. It will be a model I will be very interested in. Mainly to see how it compares to a typical US stunter like an SV 11, etc. I saw one flying years ago and it looked good in the air.
To be honest it is NOT a "Classic" vintage model, it almost fits in the Nostalgia 30 class. It hails from around 1988. More a contemporary of the early Impact series and the Trivial Pursuit series. K.A. won the '86 Worlds wit the KA 8 in 1986 which is VERY similar. On the KA 10, gone are the wing mounted LG replaced by fuse mounted LG, but otherwise very similar in overall appearance.
BIG Bear
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I know it sure builds out beautifully. I've seen at least one fly, and quite well. It seems somewhat (by memory) like the Yatsenko Classic to look at. I like the Euro designs. Many have an exciting look to them. They might have put a little more effort into styling than we did at the time. When you get going on yours please put up some photos.
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Also forgot to mention a have two 1970 Czech Tono 5.6s coming from Prague where they were built by Stary. One might end up in the Super Master. They were really into rear valve engines. Will take some getting used to.
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Dallas just to let you know I downloaded the Super Master PDF and after a few tries to get the scale about right have good plans. The guy at FedEx didn't have any better Czech language skills than I but I guessed a 2" spinner and scaled from there. Actually shot at 1 7/8" but it's metric right? The wheels scaled exactly 2 1/2". Have to be close. Thanks again! Starting to wonder about putting a pipe in........
There is a 300mm scale bottom left on plan Dave. That's 11 13/16" to you fellows!! How does that look for size? Gabris most likely had a 50mm spinner but the Aeromodeller plan from The UK is in inches and shows a 2" spinner. I'll send the other plan but quality isn't as good.
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Thanks Dallas. Reading in the Kings English will help in spots. The key is/was your words '55"'. Now I have something solid to work with. I didn't realize how big this was for the time. Definitely needs hp. A really cool airplane as is the Spacehound. My build list is about 22 airplanes long.....I'm going to put these in around 4 and 5. That list only includes two new Pampa/FAI ships!
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Hi Dave,
Considering your "Build List" compared to mine, we have seen a "Cosmic Shift" in my "Build List". I built "my" last PAMPA Class model in 1997, 17 years ago. It is still in very good flying condition, Aaron used it last year at Huntersville after his bump up with his Satana. No problems! Not even really oil soaked or anything........... I got lucky! As my old quote used to say, "Even a blind Hog grubs up an acorn now and then!" That pretty much explains me.
Now my list is overwhelmed with PAMPA models. And I haven't been able to fly in a meet for over two years. Haven't had a handle in my hand for that long...........
There are about 3 in that list that are Nos. 30 designs which will EASILY double as PAMPA models. Like the Genesis MK III w/PA 51, large can muffler off header; Juno w/T&L ST .46; Stiletto 660 w/ Randy Smith or T&L ST .51. All of these will be great PAMPA Advanced level models which will give me two extra flights, in front of judges, at each meet! (and I will not have to switch models!)
On the "strict" PAMPA side (not counting what is on the bench) will be a Classic (Smith Ryte Flyte wing, PA .61 on pipe) by Randy Smith, a Vic Macaluso F-14 TomCat II (SV 11 wing and stab/elev., PA .51 w/can muffler off header), and my own Scale-Stunt Design in collaboration with Master Ron Burn (PA .61 on pipe, Lost Foam wing fixture).
After those, it will be finishing up kits and short kits which include UHP Impact (full kit) OS .40VF piped, UHP '96 Bear (full kit) PA .51 or .61 piped, Lazer Works KA 10 (short kit) Discovery Retro .60.
(this leaves out several models the que, and must be built!)
Gotta have a couple more healthy decades to get these done! LL~ LL~
BIG Bear
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Bill it sounds like we BOTH will need at least a couple more decades to get our build lists done. And of course they change. I'm thinking these three Pampa ships I'm finishing now along with one or two older ones will fill that niche for a number of years. I think I'm going to pickle one of these in a dark locker in the basement and pull it out 2-3 years from now. Love my Desperados but these may be the last of them (7). With the new power tricks I'm working on I think my future Pampa efforts will be a semi-scale Wedell Williams and a built up version of my Sukhoi. I have the airplanes mentioned above on my list, a Skylark, Spitfire and Veco Hurricane to do-all original kits I got recently. The Warburton Tony is there as is the Argus. Lew's Vega .35 and a handful of ignition OT are there as are a couple super antiques to put my two Browns in. Well that's about 2/3 rds of it.
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Hi Dave,
Have you seen my Argus? It should be in the Photo Gallery under District 4.
BIG Bear
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That's beautiful Bill! How did it fly for you? Wooley liked the green. The Cobra in the museum looks the same. No more Sig green. I scraped up the last few drops I had for trim on my new ones from an old can. Still shows on their color chart but can't order it. Not sure what I'll put on my Spitfire and Hurricane. You did a great job on that airplane.
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That's beautiful Bill! How did it fly for you? Wooley liked the green. The Cobra in the museum looks the same. No more Sig green. I scraped up the last few drops I had for trim on my new ones from an old can. Still shows on their color chart but can't order it. Not sure what I'll put on my Spitfire and Hurricane. You did a great job on that airplane.
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the kind words! It was a good flying model. I held 1st in Adv. Classic for most of the day at Brodak with it a few years ago.
The color Steve used was an acrylic Lacquer similar to a '57 Chevy. Thanks to a dear friend I got a piece of silkspan from an original Wooley Argus showing all three colors. I had them computer matched at the paint shop. It is pretty authentic!
BIG Bear
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When I attended the Criterium d'Europe in Brussells in '58 and '59, the Russkies were using the Kometa 29 engine, and they were pretty good, fine pitch high'ish revs. Almost certainly specially put together, and better than the run-of-the-mill Kometas which became available in due course.
However, I did have one so clapped out I needed a special "priming" brew of 50/25/25, Castor/Methanol/Nitro to start. Once running it then flew o.k. on a std. brew with 30% Castor, with which I had filled the tank. I had this engine in a G. Box Nobler (kit) and it took it very well. Very noisy.
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Was the Kometa a rear valve engine? Seems the common in the eastern block then.
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Was the Kometa a rear valve engine? Seems the common in the eastern block then.
Dave - The Kometa was a clone of the ring-piston version of the ST G21/29, so a front intake engine.
Kometas appear fairly regularly on e-b, and don't cost a lot. I never did understand the test Aeromodeller did on one at the time, - just about the same power as a .15 . Mine was a lot better than that.
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Dave - The Kometa was a clone of the ring-piston version of the ST G21/29, so a front intake engine.
Kometas appear fairly regularly on e-b, and don't cost a lot. I never did understand the test Aeromodeller did on one at the time, - just about the same power as a .15 . Mine was a lot better than that.
Hi Ian,
Still looking for one of the (21) MVVS rear valve 5.6 (.35) the Soviets were using around 1964, but of course I have not won the lottery yet! But if I do get one, I will do a super job on a Spacehound for it! LL~ LL~
BIG Bear
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The Tonos have arrived with a little surprise. These were built by Mr. Stary in Prague in 1970 as hand built 5.6. The one on the left is. However the one on the right with the tall stack is MUCH larger- something close to a .60. They both have dual rings with the second ring way down on the piston. Something like 1/2" from the top. Obviously keeps the piston square in the bore. The 5.6 is 9 ounces. The .6......is 13.5. Not as heavy as they look but surely sturdy. The velocity stack will make choking easy. Did somebody say KA-10? Both appear new.
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I see we are going to have fun this flying season. Is that a O&R or Forster in the picture?
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That's an O&R .60 John. One of the side port factory conversions. Just picked it up. Have two of these. Today it's in the laquer thinner getting ready for tear down.
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FYI, somebody I know went through the SIG plant tour and saw pallets of dope from Randolph...thus, SIG = Randolph. If you go to your Randolph dealer, they will mix you a quart or gallon. Of course, they use 1:1 scale colors...paint chips are Cessna, Piper, etc., not SIG, but that's only a minor problem. I'm pretty sure SIG would have just selected one from the standard charts...but which?
Check out the "VUM-18" if you want a Hungarian stunter. Pete Peterson had one (Enya .45) and liked the way it flew a lot. I always thought it was a homely design, but it's certainly not going to be mistaken for a Nobler!
My friend in OZ (Dave Simons) had an early (pre-Shark) Yatsenko "buy-tech" model with the Retro Discovery .61, and had some "Fox Burp" complaints about it. He shipped it back, asking them to rebuild the nose and install the engine sideways, but it came back mounted 45 deg. off inverted. It then ran fine. One of those deals! H^^ Steve
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Steve now I wonder. I thought Brodak dope was Randolph. If so, why are they incompatible? I just wish Sig still had green. It's still on the color chart but you can't order it. I've got three British semi scale stunt kits to build......
That Enya .45 I understand is the maybe- better- than- equal to the Tigre .46. Wish I knew that back in the day. Just latched on to two of them, one new in the box. Look out 1977!!!
I'm going to need some building recovery time after I get these new airplanes done but when I'm ready to cut wood again something Eastern Block will be early on my list.
With contest season about to start I've learned the hard way not to build much during the season. It's too easy to stay in the shop and forgo flying on those less than perfect days. The ones you need to go fly in the most.
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Hi Dave,
Have you had a problem using Randolph and Brodaks together?
I never have had a problem using Sig, Randolph and Brodak together. ??? Maybe I am just the "Blind Hog"?
BIG Bear
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Bill I had issues using Sig and Brodak. To be honest (and I'm still on my first cup of coffee this morning) I can't remember what the issue was. I'd have to think about it. I still have a little Brodak here, maybe I'll do a test board. I know I went back to Sig for Lite Coat which Brodak didn't have. Now I use Certified clear both tautening and non-tautening. I do have very minor issues at times getting adhesion between Certified clear and Sig colors. I sense that a waxy film sits on top of dried coats so that the next coat doesn't always bond well. If you give it a light once over with sandpaper or even a rub with a paper towel solves it. I notice the Sig and Brodak smell a little different. Likely different solvents. Brodak usually gives me a headache, Sig doesn't most of the time. So????
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Hi Dave,
It just kinda baffles me since Brodak and Sig are made from Randolph................ ???
I am using Randolph clear, tautening and non tautening in butyrate, and tinted non tautening nitrate. I will admit to not using much Brodak yet, mostly just for trim. This will change since I got a great deal from Wayne B. on Bridak pints, so some future models will have Brodak color for everything.
BIG Bear
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Picking one reducer and sticking with it all the way through is supposed to fix all that nonsense. y1 Steve
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It might-couldn't hurt. I'm using Klean Strip laquer thinner (Home Depot. Cheap and works as well as any other brand I've tried) and Certified retarder when I need. Not tried these with Brodak. I just bought two old gallons of Sig retarder from a friend and it could be interesting to see how that works. I was getting really bad warps with Brodak clear so gave up on it but if the colors will work with Certified clear then we might be in good shape. I will do a test board of all these variations and report.
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See debate section for new item about this warpage.
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Having now just completed the finish on my three new AMA/f2b airplanes I'm convinced that while Certified and Sig dopes are compatible-you can even mix them then apply, they don't really adhere well to each other. Once again I'm having lifting fillets where the Sig color lifted easily away from the Certified clear. I'm thinking that in the future where a 'maximum effort' finish is required I'll just stick with one brand all the way through. Going with what I have for lack of time and to save weight but I'd otherwise consider re-doing some of it.
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I know that Derek has used SiG and Brodak dope interchangeably using 3608S as the common thinner and not had trouble. That's good intel that Sig gets their dope from Randolph...
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I know that Derek has used SiG and Brodak dope interchangeably using 3608S as the common thinner and not had trouble. That's good intel that Sig gets their dope from Randolph...
SIG used to "make" their own dope
Randy
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I noticed some of the new bottles of Sig I have been using smell quite different than ones a few years old. But so far no issues with using sig thinner and shooting them. I wonder if the different odor indicates Randolph, or just more EPA meddling with the Sig chemistry.
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Sig had some supply issues a while back and maybe changed vendors. That might explain a couple things. There isn't a huge demand for dope in full scale so the suppliers are few nowadays.
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Just as a point of interest, today was way too windy to fly but almost warm so I grabbed a batch of new engine acquisitions for Trible Holdings and went to the flying field to bench them. There were sweet and sour;
The Merco Blackstreak started first flip and was strong and sweet. It's Tony bound.
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Next is a Veco .45 that was RC but Jim Lee converted it for me. WOW ! The power! Bound for a Shark .45 one day.
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The Tono 5.6. (.35). Both the Tonos felt pretty tight and were a little balky to start the first time but once started they ran very nice.
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The Tono 10cc. (.60)
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The Raduga 7cc. (.42). Again tight and balky but after putting in a Glo Devil plug and up chucking some hair balls, It ran very smoothly and with power.
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Lastly for today was this Enya .45 BB model 6001. Another former RC engine with Jim Lee conversion, this puppy is sweet and strong- equal to any Tigre .46 or .51 I've had. Got two of these babies.
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Well I have spent the last couple of days working on the Ringmaster Imperial. Finished the fuel tank today. Thought I knew how to solder. Spent almost as much time fixing leaks as I did making the tank. The flying surfaces are covered Poly-T as it is now called with three coats of thinned dope on them. Will get them in the fuse hope fully this coming week.
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Today's sour balls are an Enya .40 CX RC conversion, a Forster .29 and Torp .35 Green Head that have seen better days. Destined for the parts bucket.
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Well I have spent the last couple of days working on the Ringmaster Imperial. Finished the fuel tank today. Thought I knew how to solder. Spent almost as much time fixing leaks as I did making the tank. The flying surfaces are covered Poly-T as it is now called with three coats of thinned dope on them. Will get them in the fuse hope fully this coming week.
John check your roll of solder. Sure easy to pick up something too high temp to flow well. Got pretty cold at the field but ran the reel mower around the edge to keep it marked. May need to take a pitch fork out on a mole hunt...
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Hey Mr. Bill Little , when I got home from Muncie I shoe horned my Doublestar .54 into my Space Hound,, I haven't triedit yet but I will soon, John
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Hey Mr. Bill Little , when I got home from Muncie I shoe horned my Doublestar .54 into my Space Hound,, I haven't triedit yet but I will soon, John
Hi John,
As long as you can get the right prop to clear the ground, you should be happy with that combination! Mine is rather porky, but flies extremely well with the ST .46 (if I could just keep rings in it! LL~ ) I have two sets of Brian G.'s ABC set ups for the ST .46 and that should cure the problem! I like the Spacehound for some crazy reason!
Please report on how it works out!
BIG Bear
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Hi Bill,
I like the DB Star .54 in the Spacehound. It's a great combo.
John
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Hi Bill,
I like the DB Star .54 in the Spacehound. It's a great combo.
John
Hi John,
That is great to hear! Problem is, when I checked around, the DS .54 was not available.......... I remember when Tom D. had the plain bearing DS .50 made to be a drop in for the ST .46.
Alfadawg has a great set up with his Formula S and his DS .54!
Bill
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Well I guess I'm fickle but I think my next build after I finish the take-apart Desperado on the table now will be the Ballerina III. Had the plans already but just bought a kit made by Windancer models that I didn't know existed. It's been many moons since I've built an I beam and might be good practice since I'd like to do a Desperado I beam sometime. Looking over the engines I think I'm going to put a Merco .35 in it to be different. I'm sure the originals used the Fox but it's not called out on the plans.
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Bill,
I had a TT .36 in it & it was ok but I doubt it would be good in the wind. A couple years ago Don Mclave told me the 600 inch planes need a .50 in them so I finally stuffed the Double Star in him & it's better.
John
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Check out the "VUM-18" if you want a Hungarian stunter. Pete Peterson had one (Enya .45) and liked the way it flew a lot. I always thought it was a homely design, but it's certainly not going to be mistaken for a Nobler!
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Dear Steve Helmick,
as some years before you adviced, now it is possible to access to several Hungarian classics, like the "VUM-18". Among others, now a digital archive is opened to help "home schools" as we are enforced to close all our schools now, because of Corona virus, in Hungary. Modellers magazine "Modellezés" is accessible from 1959 till 1989.
Here is a link:
https://adtplus.arcanum.hu/hu/view/Modellezes_1968/?pg=195&layout=s&fbclid=IwAR0iiHDw2rpNE4DIJ8KOLv8YQXH2gWXeNHYp-AUK-t0hOlJ6m681Iwlx5Bo
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The VUM really does fly very well. Bob Brookins in Des Moines built one and I helped with the test flights. He has an LA .46 in his.
I’d like to find more European and Iron Curtain designs to build in the future . You sort of tire of all the usual subjects. I have a KA 5 under construction that will use the Tono 5.6. It should be finished in a month or two.
Dave
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Dear Dave,
I can browse and transforward to you all the links, which belong to Hungarian fullsize stunt plans.
If you want to download them for free, simply registrate into "Arcanum" database. (no need for speakig Hungarian :) )
If you are experienced database diver, you won't need my help, that link is enough to start, as it was written yesterday.
Let us enjoy this gift of Corona in next 30 days! :)
Istvan
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Istvan that would be great! I’m a few years ahead on my regular competition airplane fleet so may be looking for a classic project or two to build in the near future.
Thank You!
Dave
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Here is My KA10 built some time ago for a Stalker 61. Excellent design
Glen Alison
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Apologies if this was posted elsewhere in this thread I didn't see it..
There are 2 KA-10 plans posted on Hippocket. (Strangely in the Scale Stunt section).
https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=1566
https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=933
Both appear at 1st glance to be the same plan.
TTFN
John.
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Nice looking plane Glen.
John L.
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I've loved the looks of that plane since I first time I ever saw it. Yours is beautiful Glen.
Brian
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Thanks for the comments guys. Glen
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Do you guys know if there are any kits available for the KA? I've got the plans and I'll take a shot at building from them but I'd love to come across the kit, even a short one or foam wings.
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Brian, I have built a KA 10 kit from Tom Dixon. Foam wing. Nicely done!
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Bill, I hope someone out there has info or a kit they want to part with.
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Schtolen for the Yatsenko site . NOTE , the LAST LINE , which I havnt deleted , would appear to be regarding the Yatsenko Airfoil - NOT the Kolesnikov ! . so disregard that , in this instance .
The successful airfoil was found from the talk with Anatoliy Kolesnikov. To the question, why his last wing airfoil have visible small radius on the leading edge (KA-8 model), it was answer, that the first models had large radius edge, but it was difficult 1 lap gliding before the landing, and was not enough sharp in the air. With the sharp edge the gliding ability become better. Also he said that one line location of the engine-wing-stabilizer creates the feeling of symmetric model control. And he had real feeling, that with this model he do not need so many training for good result, as with his old model, not one line. Seeing very stability flights of Anatoliys models, I had tried to create something new. According to my understanding of the airfoil configuration from the experience and this talk, I had created the airfoil that was found as very successful. Models become to fly stability in wind and it was feeling of easy turning, with good stability then. First airfoil had the thickness 56 mm, then was modified to 64 mm thickness, more stability for turbulent air.
Picture of a nice one here, on page 81 . https://pampacl.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/SN_Magazine_JUL_AUG_2008.pdf
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Jul 28, 2016 — Mike, Tom Dixon has plans for the KA-10 and a foam wing core. ... Then Yatsenko did one very similar that he called the CLASSIC in F2B. ... Milton I'd like to have a good copy of a full size line drawing for the 5.6 cc airplane above (said by a ... One that shows the ribs and formers, a cut file so to spe
Any of the foam wing blokes should be good for a foam wing ( theres a thing ) with The TEMPLATES . of just cut templates & stack ribs .
The top link here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDrj5LEWqpjfGbUqwfwJ4nA will get you a bigger real KA something drawing . Also KA series history . if youve got ' translate ' .
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There are 2 KA-10 plans posted on Hippocket. (Strangely in the Scale Stunt section).
https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=1566
https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=933
Both appear at 1st glance to be the same plan.
There's a plan also at https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=10347
No need for login there.
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My buddy with Ka-10 replica.
Engine: OS 46LA with MACS OS 25FX muffler. Custom venturi and NVA. Works fine in 4-2-4 mode
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Skis!!
Keith
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Yep ;D
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Spectacular !
John L.
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Fully finished.
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I know this is an old thread, but if nobody shared this yet, Ed at Lazer Works will cut a short kit KA-10. http://lazer-works.com/misc.html
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This kit, as well as the plans by Tom Dixon, have nothing to do with the models from Anatoly Kolesnikov.
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The Tyres look a bit flat .
(https://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33707.0;attach=321449;image)
:-X Sorry ! . ;)
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In Russia, snow and bears ...
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This kit, as well as the plans by Tom Dixon, have nothing to do with the models from Anatoly Kolesnikov.
Yes, I've read a summary of how Tom Dixon's plans were created. Where does one get the original plans?
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Theres a picture of a original plan , which were told is hidden in a warehouse deep in a secret location in Russia , and not accessable .
Mucho thinking on it , if the Dixon Versions half ( or is that 1/4 ) as complicated to build , and weighs no more , one would be a bit obsesive to go for the vastly more complicated structure . >:(
(http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1509203967/05d6ede3/19180955.jpg)
If you click on the drawing , itll biggerise , on its holding thingo . So more legable / printoffski . http://forum.rcdesign.ru/f95/thread509658.html
(http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1509203964/6af23d74/19180950.jpg)
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Theres a picture of a original plan , which were told is hidden in a warehouse deep in a secret location in Russia , and not accessable .
In Ukraine. Not in Russia.
Pavlo Kravchenko presented in this forum. Ask him.