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Classic Designs => Classic Planes => Topic started by: Don Jenkins on April 11, 2013, 07:29:57 AM
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I just completed a Gieseke Nobler built from a Top Flite kit. It came out a bit heavy at 49 ounces ready to fly, but I am a beginner builder and I am still attempting and learning how to get a high gloss smooth finish without making a lead block machine. I am using an OS Max .35 Stunt and I hope that will be enough power to pull this thing through the pattern. Any thoughts on potential performance based on engine choice and weight ? No flights yet since I want to ensure the dope is completely dry before test and trim flights.
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Don, that looks very nice! I don't believe you are a beginner any longer. Hope it flies well for ya.
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Love the colors, same as my alma mater. H^^
Who designed the Alma Matter? Was it the same guy that designed the Doesn't Matter? LL~ LL~
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49oz is slightly heavy. Well within performance envelope. Should fly fine for you.
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Another very nice airplane Don, and tastefully finished. Great job! y1
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Just see the motors well run in , or leave the cowl of early .
Weights fine . The 11 x 4 three blade tornados'd get it on 70s on a calm day .
If theres any problems , theres allways More Nitro . Start at 5 then 10 % .
Mostll do the first hour on staight 30 castor 70 methanol . 11 x 5 or 10 x 6 prop .
Or a 9x6 if you want Nasty .
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Thank you all for the input. It is much appreciated.
Don
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Now thats what I love....not a lot of flash, but very tasteful. Congrats on a difficult build. H^^
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Hi Don;
Nice model! To be clear, the Top Flite kit is not classic legal for competition I believe, it came out too late. There is a classic legal version, and I think Steve Moon has plans available for that. The Top Flite kit would be N-30 legal though. I don't remember what the differences are between the two, but I'm sure Steve can tell you.
Good luck and have fun,
Dan McEntee
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The plane looks great and should fly great with your power plant. Just because Top Flite kitted it, it was designed my Mr Gieseke before it was kitted. In fact I would love to see Mr. Gieseke come on here and tell about his Noblers. It will make a great plane for flying the pattern.
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I believe that Dan is correct....
The iterations are:
Original Nobler (ala the Brodak version)....pre 1953...an Aldrich design
The Green Box Nobler (I believe that this is the Nobler that Steve Moon kitted and sold as an ARC) also an Aldrich design
The Top Flite Nobler the one that Bob Geiseke (sp?) designed...
Have fun
BTW.....lots of northeast events allow the Top Flite version to fly in Classic....
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I do believe there are differences in what Bob flew as his first "Gieseke's Nobler, and what Top Flite kitted. A story that George Aldrich told me himself at an early VSC, was that Bob called him a month or so before the NATS that year (not sure what year exactly) with the news that he had crashed his NATS airplane and needed to quickly build another, and did George have a green box kit he could buy from him. George said no, he only had one that he wanted to keep, but Bob could borrow it for patterns to scratch build a model. In doing that, Bob traced the ribs with a ball point pen, and cut the ribs out to the outside of that line, making the airfoil thicker, which is something Bob had been wanting to try. When assembling the fuselage, Bob called him again and asked for ideas on the landing gear, stating that the stock Nobler could be difficult to land sometimes. Georges answer was to make the tail wheel taller and make the fuselage level. That would help negate the tendency for the airplane to bounce on landings. George also told him that while he was at it, "chop the top of the rudder off square and that will help it present squares a little better." And that is an almost word for word explanation of how the Gieseke Nobler came to be. I believe this was several years before the 1969 cut off date for Classic models. I think Bob built a few different versions with some other changes before Top Flite put out their kit, which for all I know may just be a green box kit with the cosmetic changes. I have never had the chance to compare the kit parts. I have also wanted to ask Mr. Gieseke himself about the story in person but have never had the opportunity. I'm sure the Moon brothers may know the complete story also, and maybe they'll see this thread and check in.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Don,
A very beautiful model and well done. Makes me want to pull mine off the shelf and build it.
Enjoy flying it.
Larry
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Just for the record: The version kitted by Steve Moon is the Geiseke Nobler. The Green Box Nobler is kitted by Eric Rule/RSM. At first the Geiseke Nobler (either the Moon or the Top-Flite version) was considered ineligible for Classic but is now accepted (around here anyway) based on it being flown during the Classic period even if the kit did not come out until the early 70's. 8)
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Well, you guys were right, the Gieseke Nobler flies great at 49 ounces with the OS Max .35 Stunt. The only adjustment I have made after three flights was to shim the fuel tank slightly, otherwise it is now the best flying plane in my fleet. I can't wait for the rain to stop so I can get in some more flights!!
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There is less than a 1/2 inch difference in any dimension between the UHP Gieseke Nobler and the Top Flite Gieseke Nobler. There really is no reason to not allow a Top Flite kit in a Classic contest. I know we used to think it was some huge difference but it is not any reason to keep someone from flying that model in a contest. It's like not allowing a Brodak Olympic because it was kitted post 1969.
Chris...
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The shape and height of the Gieseke Nobler is the only "noticeable" difference between Bob's '68 version and the Top Flite kit. The kit has a shorter rudder which happened after 1969. But, I have seen Top Flite kits allowed to fly in Classic and IMHO, that is the way it should be. We need to be as inclusive as possible, and allow as many models as possible while still maintaining the "spirit" of the rules.
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Hi, Don. Do you have a flight report yet? We'd love to hear about it... or even see it if you get a video.
Rusty