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Offline Clint Ormosen

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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2023, 05:56:19 AM »
Like I mentioned, the elevators had warped a bit so I opted to make some new ones.
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2023, 06:08:26 AM »
Playing with image resizing to get them on here.
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #102 on: April 01, 2023, 06:10:55 AM »
Playing with image resizing to get them on here. Trying to find the optimal posting size.
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #103 on: April 01, 2023, 06:20:31 AM »
More playing with the resizer. The plan hanging on the wall is Randy Smithís Evolution.
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #104 on: April 21, 2023, 01:24:08 PM »
How's it going on this one Clint?

My painting masks shipped today so Iíll get the letters/numbers on it then clear coats.
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #105 on: April 28, 2023, 06:35:20 AM »
Actually Bob built three F-86 Sabre Jets. The one Clint is reprising was the first one, and I watched Bob fly it at every local contest in 1969, and at the Nats. He won every meet he entered that year with the F-86, and he called his shot before the contest year began. He declared even before he flew the Sabre for the first time that he was going to win the Nats that year. Amazing!

Bob followed up with a larger version of the Sabre that was built around a Shark 45 wing. It had a Fox 59 for power and it did not live up to Bob's expectations, but he still finished fourth at the Nats with that ship.

Bob's third Sabre was built around 1972, and it was again a 35-size ship. When Bob took that plane to Flushing Meadow park to test fly it, Gene Schaffer was also there testing his third Stunt Machine. Gene's was having a lot of trouble getting the Stunt Machine to trim properly and - as he was prone to do - just started a wingover on one flight and decided to just not pull out. The Stunt Machine hit the asphalt dead vertical at speed and the engine was catapulted into the air. It landed right on Bob's new Sabre! Fortunately there was minimal damage, but Bob was furious. He had to make a new flap for that plane, and I don't recall seeing it fly at any contests after that. It may have, as my memory is a bit fuzzy after 51 years... I do remember that the third Sabre was just flawless in build quality and finish; just like all of Bob's airplanes!

Later - Bob Hunt



 
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #106 on: April 28, 2023, 09:31:56 AM »
Actually Bob built three F-86 Sabre Jets. The one Clint is reprising was the first one, and I watched Bob fly it at every local contest in 1969, and at the Nats. He won every meet he entered that year with the F-86, and he called his shot before the contest year began. He declared even before he flew the Sabre for the first time that he was going to win the Nats that year. Amazing!

Bob followed up with a larger version of the Sabre that was built around a Shark 45 wing. It had a Fox 59 for power and it did not live up to Bob's expectations, but he still finished fourth at the Nats with that ship.

Bob's third Sabre was built around 1972, and it was again a 35-size ship. When Bob took that plane to Flushing Meadow park to test fly it, Gene Schaffer was also there testing his third Stunt Machine. Gene's was having a lot of trouble getting the Stunt Machine to trim properly and - as he was prone to do - just started a wingover on one flight and decided to just not pull out. The Stunt Machine hit the asphalt dead vertical at speed and the engine was catapulted into the air. It landing right on Bob's new Sabre! Fortunately there was minimal damage, but Bob was furious. He had to make a new flap for that plane, and I don't recall seeing it fly at any contests after that. It may have, as my memory is a bit fuzzy after 51 years... I do remember that the third Sabre was just flawless in build quality and finish; just like all of Bob's airplanes!

Later - Bob Hunt



 


    I have one of Walter Umland's kits for the Sabre stashed away . The second one using a Shark.45 wing gets me curious. Is that the model in the bottom picture?  I have never run a Fox .59 so not sure of what the power is like on that one. I'm thinking that maybe some better power in the nose might help out in that department?? Any idea of ot was the long shaft or short shaft? I have a couple of the short shaft engines, but I would lean toward ST G-.51  or ST.60.

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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #107 on: April 28, 2023, 10:20:17 AM »
Hi Dan:

Yup, the Fox 59 (not sure if it was long shaft or short...) was anemic to be sure. That airplane did not see too much service, but he did also fly it at one team selection with just so-so results. He retired not too long after that for many years.

I would think that a PA 61 side or rear would be good for that plane. You know that I would electrify it in a heartbeat with a BadAss 3515-710 or 580 motor and a 6S Li Poly or Li Ion battery and an active timer system. That would be killer. I think the airframe was perfectly good, the power not so much. But, it was certainly beautiful!

Bob 

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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #108 on: April 29, 2023, 07:19:24 AM »
Hi Dan:

Yup, the Fox 59 (not sure if it was long shaft or short...) was anemic to be sure. That airplane did not see too much service, but he did also fly it at one team selection with just so-so results. He retired not too long after that for many years.

I would think that a PA 61 side or rear would be good for that plane. You know that I would electrify it in a heartbeat with a BadAss 3515-710 or 580 motor and a 6S Li Poly or Li Ion battery and an active timer system. That would be killer. I think the airframe was perfectly good, the power not so much. But, it was certainly beautiful!

Bob

    It's been a while since I have read the article, but if I'm remembering correctly, Larry Scarinzi designed the Blue Angel around the Fox.59, did he not? It was a typical story where he lost a model a couple of months before the NATS and needed a new stunt model in a hurry. Steve Smith has Walt Brownell's electric version of the Blue Angel and as I look at it sitting on the ground and in the air, I just can't imagine a .59 in it. Most others I have seen have a .46 of some flavor in them, and the airfoil isn't the thickest I have ever seen either. But I love the look of the airplane and it's biggest attraction is I wouldn't have to come up with a paint scheme!!  I can remember seeing the Blue Angels fly the Grumman F-11 Tiger and it's still my favorite BA aircraft. I don't think I have ever been around a Fox.59 to see or hear one run. I have a couple but just never had the proper project for one. Comparing the BA to that third version on the Sabre, the Sabre does look pretty big. Like the late, great Walt Mooney said, "So many airplanes and so little time!."

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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #109 on: April 29, 2023, 12:47:38 PM »
    It's been a while since I have read the article, but if I'm remembering correctly, Larry Scarinzi designed the Blue Angel around the Fox.59, did he not? It was a typical story where he lost a model a couple of months before the NATS and needed a new stunt model in a hurry. Steve Smith has Walt Brownell's electric version of the Blue Angel and as I look at it sitting on the ground and in the air, I just can't imagine a .59 in it. Most others I have seen have a .46 of some flavor in them, and the airfoil isn't the thickest I have ever seen either. But I love the look of the airplane and it's biggest attraction is I wouldn't have to come up with a paint scheme!!  I can remember seeing the Blue Angels fly the Grumman F-11 Tiger and it's still my favorite BA aircraft. I don't think I have ever been around a Fox.59 to see or hear one run. I have a couple but just never had the proper project for one. Comparing the BA to that third version on the Sabre, the Sabre does look pretty big. Like the late, great Walt Mooney said, "So many airplanes and so little time!."

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You have to put the size and power selection into perspective.  In 1964 the dominant motor was the Fox 35 and most planes were 50-52" spans.  Here comes Larry with a .59 powered 56" plane.  It looked so big next to everything else there.  If the stories are true, I saw it's maiden flight and was quite impressed.  I felt, all things considered he should have won.  Best pattern IMHO at the time (I was a senior) was Mathis but best overall presentation was Larry.  Navy judges did not agree with my assessment! 

Ken

Fast forward to today and 56" would most likely be the smallest wingspan in the lineup and the .59 the smallest motor. 
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #110 on: May 17, 2023, 09:35:36 PM »
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #111 on: June 06, 2023, 09:45:41 PM »

 So....what's the latest Clint?  ;)
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Re: F-86 Sabre build
« Reply #112 on: September 07, 2023, 08:24:22 PM »

 Clint?
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