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Classic Designs => Classic Planes => Topic started by: Dave Royer on June 15, 2018, 03:41:03 PM
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Could someone please direct me to a current classic legal design list. I seem to be somewhat search challenged as I'm not finding the desired information. Dave
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Thanks for the response Ty. I have both those great books but was hoping to find an updated list with additional designs which may have been discovered since those were published. Dave
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Thanks for the response Ty. I have both those great books but was hoping to find an updated list with additional designs which may have been discovered since those were published. Dave
Jeeze Dave. Just start in 1948 and proceed. I've been looking in the OTS book and there's plenty of good candidates that I at least haven't seen flown on the Left Coast.
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Did anybody copy the material in Dave Day's home page before it went off line? That had the most comprehensive listings for OTS and Classic of any I have seen. These included kits and magazine articles from foreign sources, many which do not show up in the Morris books. Even the Morris books did no include some of the published OTS and Classic design articles. This is not meant to be critical of the Morris books, they are a tremendous resource and should be in every enthusiast's library that has any interest in these things.
Keith
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Did anybody copy the material in Dave Day's home page before it went off line? That had the most comprehensive listings for OTS and Classic of any I have seen. These included kits and magazine articles from foreign sources, many which do not show up in the Morris books. Even the Morris books did no include some of the published OTS and Classic design articles. This is not meant to be critical of the Morris books, they are a tremendous resource and should be in every enthusiast's library that has any interest in these things.
Keith
I am going to answer my own question. I forgot that I had copied the Dave Day listings and have that copy in one of my reference books. If anyone is interested in hosting these on a site or maybe someone could set up a listing on the PAMPA site. As far as I know, there should be no copyright problems. Or, if anyone knows Dave Day and could find out if he would have a problem something like this is done.
Keith
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Isn't Dave's site currently hosted by Windy?
http://www.windyurtnowski.com/DaveDay/
Also Claus's site
http://www.windyurtnowski.com/ClausMaikis/
TTFN
John.
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Thanks John,
It's Dave Day's whole site.
Doug
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I though Ty had started a list on here and people kept adding to it. Maybe 4-5 years ago?
Ed
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Hi Ty now I do remember you doing that. I just gave away my Tom Morris old time and classic books away at Huntersville field.
I was very surprised almost no one knew what the two books were. No one would buy them even at $1.00 each. I just gave them to a friend.
I gave away and sold a lot that day. Only one guy I gave credit to cheated me.
Ed
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According the the PAMPA site OT is pre-1953 and Classic is pre-1969.
While I couldn't find it in writing I understand that N-30 is simply over 30 years ago. So the current cutoff would be 1988, which is pretty near modern.
I would say it's every man for himself. Hunt through the old magazines and catalogs and find your own proof. A list made by somebody today doesn't really prove anything. With over 40 years of OTS building and flying, finding a genuine "new" OT design would be hard the believe.
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According the the PAMPA site OT is pre-1953 and Classic is pre-1969.
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To make this a bit more clear: --
From the PAMPA rules for OTS: "Model Requirements. The model must have been designed, published or kitted prior to December 31 1952."
From the PAMPA rules for Classic Stunt: "The purpose of the event is to encourage the construction and flying of control line stunt models designed, published or kitted prior to the year of 1970."
Keith
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HI Paul. I do really hope you are not saying my listing of N 30 isn't any good or of value to some one seeking info on what models are N30 legal??? I put many hours ( five days in fact) going through hundreds of back issues of every magazine I could get my hands on including my own collection, which by the way, is pretty complete. D>K
I think it is fine, as long at is it not considered exclusive. Or in other words, if it's on the list, it's OK, if it is not on the list, it still might be OK, because only a tiny fraction of the legal airplanes have been published or publicly noted.
If someone think that this is the entire list, then, I could show up with my 1988 Imitation XL (which was designed in 1986), it won't be on the list, and someone could say it wasn't legal. That's the problem I have had in the past with the lists of "legal" airplanes, the list will never be comprehensive - but I have seen people have arguments over whether the airplane is legal if it's not on the list.
Brett
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Right on Brett. My list is only one source of KNOWN legal N30 ships. It needs to be updated every year. As stated somewhere, the pilot only needs proof by any means, photos that are dated, magazine articles, letters from the designer/builder, etc.
This event sure as hell ain't worth lying about. It's toys airplanes for Pete's sake. Who is this Pete any way? St Peter??? H^^
Seems obvious to you and me, but apparently, even these "fun-fly" events seem to bring out the few nutcases to argue over something.
Brett
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I never knew Brett was a car.
As noted, there are classic planes that were built and flown in the 60s that are not known. Finding proof is the trick. It happens.
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Ty,
Oh, I don't know. My cousin designed a plane that was based on a design called the Dominator. He increased the size gave it flaps and tapered the wing. Won quite a few contests with it. Not published anywhere.
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From my limited experiences in the 60's, I am willing to bet those not published or well known were for the most part failures and perhaps with exceptions, not worth building.... D>K
Need to define "for the most part failures". I have 3 airplanes that each finished in the top 20 at 3 separate Nats in the 70's. (Each one was a different semi-scale design.) Plans were drawn for two of these for publication, but for several reasons beyond the scope of this forum, were not published. Maybe these were your "exceptions".
Keith
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The last archived content (August 19th) of Dave Day's information on Windy Urtnowski's old site is at: https://web.archive.org/web/20180819004359/http://www.windyurtnowski.com/DaveDay/
SanFranFlyer is including this information on a new web site, to be activated this month.