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All American SR Brazilian way
« on: December 14, 2016, 01:54:45 PM »
hello there
i had laser cut ribs, fuselage and tail of and All American and while dope was drying on another model managed to put this one toguether
will be powered by Enya 30
my first attempt with polyspan
and painted with the "usual" Star & Stripes, but brazilian flag colours
always wantes to build this one since my 15 years old, finally made it
will post pictures of the finishing.
the building was so fast that i missed the chance to take more pictures!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2016, 01:58:04 PM »
this is my second De Bolt model, really love De Bolt taste for graceful vintage planes
first one was the sexy Continental 1955

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2016, 02:16:41 PM »
All Brazilian Senior?
Member in good standing of P.I.S.T
(Politically Incorrect Stunt Team)
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2016, 02:35:37 PM »
All Brazilian Senior?

lol, not a bad idea at all !
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2017, 11:57:27 AM »
while priming and sanding the Starduster, managed to complete the building, now itīs covering time!
will be nose heavy for sure!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 06:07:38 PM »

 Looks really nice Fred!  y1
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2017, 02:16:53 AM »
Looks really nice Fred!  y1
thanks a lot! now itīs ready for polyspan/carbon veil!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2017, 02:44:48 AM »
Fred,

Wow! Outstanding!

My Mentor from Brazil, I am steaming jealous, I might even troll you.  LL~ LL~ LL~ Forgive me.  LL~

My All American Sr. is still in the box. BUMMER!!

Looks like you made a few building improvements, tip? Anything else?

Did you keep the inboard wing at 3" longer?

And you will power it with what?

Is this a customer's model or your own?

Nose heavy? Back then everything we flew balanced on the LE.  LL~ LL~ LL~

Please, post all the finishing tasks. I won't miss a thing.

One of your Grasshoppers,

Charles







hello Charles! thanks for the kind words again!
will be powered by enya 30
roght now the CG is on the wheel collars hahaha, had to add a few lead ballast to the tail, come really nose heavy!
yeap, 3" longer inside, looks odd but iīll live with that (maybe taking some medicine to tame my obsessions with simmetry)
someone told me that his plane have a tendency to come to the center of the circle, started to be worried with flight characteristics, but really, this one is built just for fun, no expectations of a good flyer.
i have only added tail wheel (used the tail skid as a cover to bury the wheel)
sheeted the back of the wingtip for better polyspan attachment and thatīs all
since i have no kit to compare, i am not sure if anything else was changed
finishing will be polyspan wing and carbon veil fuselage
right now have 3 dope layers sanded with 320 sandpapaer

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2017, 10:32:33 AM »
Fred, once the plane is done and ready for flight make sure the engine is broke in.  I still have my AA Sr hanging on the hook.  Has flown at VSC (Vintage Stunt Championships) in Tuscon Arizona.   On grass the take off is not that bad if you make a smooth take off.  On pavement be on your toes and immediately start moving backwards to keep the lines tight, same on grass but not as much.   The landings is where you have to land it F2C racing style.  In other words you give down elevator to keep it planted to the surface.  If you try landing like a normal stunt plane you will have many landings other wise known as bounces before it stops.    It takes practice.  It is a fun plane to fly, also don't forget the wingtip weight.will be more than normal.
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2017, 01:41:18 PM »
Fred,

Good morning "Brazil style," whatever that means.  ;D

Stake and eggs?

What kit is this your building?

Were you tempted to shorten the nose and add a bit to the tail length?

I think this has been done before with the All American SR.? (Note my question mark.)

Can't wait to see your progress and the finish will be "Brazil Style" with great flag colors
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I just love those international flags.

Charles


hello Charles!
well, Brazilian breakfast is not fancy as USA version! the usual is bread with butter on the hot plate (pão na chapa) and a cup of coffe with milk (média) hahaha
and the coffee comes in a "copo americano" sorta american glass, donīt know why this name, but itīs the one in the picture.
My BEST breakfast ever was on HW1 on a nice stop at Davenport. Full American breakfast with eggs, sausage, bacon, bread and coffe!
back to the model world:
itīs not a kit, just laser cut ribs and fuse sides. i am following original DeBolt plans
havenīt tried to change anything to keep the originality of the model!
really would benefit of a shorter nose and longer tail, but then we would loose the charm!
be back soon!
regards
Fred



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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2017, 01:55:24 PM »
Fred, once the plane is done and ready for flight make sure the engine is broke in.  I still have my AA Sr hanging on the hook.  Has flown at VSC (Vintage Stunt Championships) in Tuscon Arizona.   On grass the take off is not that bad if you make a smooth take off.  On pavement be on your toes and immediately start moving backwards to keep the lines tight, same on grass but not as much.   The landings is where you have to land it F2C racing style.  In other words you give down elevator to keep it planted to the surface.  If you try landing like a normal stunt plane you will have many landings other wise known as bounces before it stops.    It takes practice.  It is a fun plane to fly, also don't forget the wingtip weight.will be more than normal.

Hello John
thanks a lot for the helpful information! seems to me a handfull to fly!
do you think i still need wingtip weight with 3" extra inboard wing? i thought thta the extra lift would overcome the weight
i fly from pavement, that would be tricky for sure! hahahah
will keep you updated!
thanks!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2017, 02:29:16 PM »
Yes,  I have wing tip weight in mine.  Forgot to say, once airborne they fly better than the pilot that tries to fly them. H^^

will do as you say! and i am sure will fly better than me!
thanks John!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2022, 04:24:37 PM »
well, 5 years or so after this dead thread, i am back.
i have gave up finishing the model, and sold ready to be painted for a friend.
2 years ago, a long time friend came to my town and gifted me his original All American kit , so, i had to build and finish this one.
but thereīs more to the story: when i started c/l back in 1984, i was waiting my ride to the field with my model in front of my house. An "older "man passed through and asked me where we used to fly, and he told me he was a c/l flier from south of the country and moved to the northwest ( where i was living back then). He then showed up at the field on same day and we spent a lot of time talking ( he moved from same city i was born in south) and he was living a few steps from my house. he invited me to see his models and 14 years old me went there. He showed me 2 things that really caught my attention> a ME BF100 twin engine and he won a south american scale with the plane ( immediatly i decided i would be a scale c/l competitor, wich actually took 37 years to happen) and the other thing was this vintage all american sr kit by demeco. i was amazed with the model, back then in brazil we are forbid to import stuff, only if you travel and bring with you and we had a 200$ or so limit, so imports are really a "thing". We became life long friends and even after my return to my original city, são paulo, we kept in contact. 2 years ago he came for a visit and brought the kit for me! canīt tell how happy i am! this one is near finish now, already covered and ready for primer

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2022, 06:24:05 PM »
well, 5 years or so after this dead thread, i am back.
i have gave up finishing the model, and sold ready to be painted for a friend.


 Bummer, I was hoping to see the finished product, the Brazilian flag scheme would have been a neat look too.  :(
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2022, 03:12:29 AM »
Fred,

Can't wait to see the this model finished.

Charles
thanks Charles, this one is coming along really fast, hope to primer next week!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2022, 03:13:26 AM »
Bummer, I was hoping to see the finished product, the Brazilian flag scheme would have been a neat look too.  :(
youīre gonna see it soon! i am finishing the second model right now! will keep the brazilian flag color scheme!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2022, 07:42:19 PM »
youīre gonna see it soon! i am finishing the second model right now! will keep the brazilian flag color scheme!

 Great!  o2oP
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2022, 01:26:47 AM »
  Fred. Cool story.
  Hal Debolt did say that the out-board wing was never supposed to be that short. But by time he noticed the error it was too late, and the kits were already in production.
 

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2022, 01:13:27 PM »
Back when Harold DeBolt designed the AA Sr, many flew 'clockwise' (left to right on the ground.) Engine torque was reversed. It helped lift the longer inboard  wing. No tip weight was needed, or very little if any...

I built and flew an AA Sr in the mid-1970's. Factory reverse rotation crankshafts were available for Fox35. So I set one up and flew the 'mirror-image' of early clockwise flying. (That also put the UP line forward!) No problem. Easier takeoffs and a bit easier landings.

Doc mentioned the drive-it-on landing style: Keep reasonable airspeed, wheel it on, then a breath of DOWN to 'stick' it. Another reason for bouncing landings was the far forward wheel location.

The Fox, BTW, flew exactly like it did in stock counter-clockwise form. You just had to flip the prop the other way to start. If you  forgot NOT to punch the pavement when starting the model on its wheels, your hand might hurt enough to distract your flying.

Don't ask how I found that out  H^^.
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2022, 05:03:22 AM »
letīs add some color

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2022, 11:46:07 AM »
gettinī"pretty" as much as this design can be called pretty  ;D

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2022, 11:48:16 AM »
Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I will wait for completion to make another comment. D>K
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2022, 12:34:51 PM »
Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I will wait for completion to make another comment. D>K
moving on, to where, not sure yet

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2022, 12:39:07 PM »
i was correctly informed that this plane belongs to OTS, can someone move this thread to the proper place ?
thanks in advance!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2022, 07:29:07 AM »
all "south" american Senior almost there

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2022, 04:50:07 PM »
closer to clear coat

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2022, 10:49:54 AM »
BRAVO!!!  I really like what you are doing herewith the All Brazilian!!!
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2022, 02:36:18 PM »
BRAVO!!!  I really like what you are doing herewith the All Brazilian!!!
thanks Dennis!! trying to keep up with the original design , mixing with brazilian colors and some more modern touches, hope the final result looks good

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2022, 12:26:05 PM »
clear coat done, next is attaching hinges, bolt gear, bolt the fox and run to the field

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2022, 04:59:59 PM »
Too shiny for old time.    LL~ LL~ LL~

Really it looks great. D>K
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2022, 05:41:38 PM »
 LL~ LL~
Too shiny for old time.    LL~ LL~ LL~

Really it looks great. D>K
LL~ LL~
you should have told me before! i would do a brush finish
thanks John, hope to fly her and land in one piece within 3 weeks
fingers crossed and legs ready for running

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2022, 05:06:32 PM »
finished, now gathering courage to fly her

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2022, 05:08:15 PM »
i had to play with brazilian flag colours and USA standard finish. not my cup of tea design but i am pleased how it ended

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2022, 05:09:08 PM »
next post hopefully is flight impressions

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2022, 09:06:04 AM »
I like it.  Shouldn't be hard to see.  I must say you have a lot more patience than I do.  I do good to have two color scheme with graphics added. H^^
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2022, 06:32:27 PM »
Fred - it may be the camera but it looks like your wings are nearly equal span.  To fully appreciate the All American Sr experience they need to be wildly different in length.  Just asking - Ken
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2022, 10:20:58 PM »
My ruler may be off, but wing shows a good difference in span of the panels. D>K

In fact go look at bare wing structure in original post. ???
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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2022, 01:39:02 PM »
Fred - it may be the camera but it looks like your wings are nearly equal span.  To fully appreciate the All American Sr experience they need to be wildly different in length.  Just asking - Ken
itīs like the plans, huge assimetry! i played a trick with the size of stripes and maybe that helped.

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2022, 01:39:54 PM »
I like it.  Shouldn't be hard to see.  I must say you have a lot more patience than I do.  I do good to have two color scheme with graphics added. H^^
thank you! vinyl cutter is the patience guy, i just spray the colors!

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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2022, 08:54:38 PM »
Yes, the paint scheme does make the panels look almost equal.  Remember to step back on take off.  Also so very little up.  Once up to speed you will be surprised how well it flies. D>K
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2022, 09:32:16 PM »
Yes, the paint scheme does make the panels look almost equal.  Remember to step back on take off.  Also so very little up.  Once up to speed you will be surprised how well it flies. D>K
What he said!

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Re: All American SR Brazilian way
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2022, 01:37:20 PM »
Yes, the paint scheme does make the panels look almost equal.  Remember to step back on take off.  Also so very little up.  Once up to speed you will be surprised how well it flies. D>K

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