Author Topic: All American SR Brazilian way (Read 20740 times)

fred cesquim · « **on:** December 14, 2016, 01:54:45 PM »

hello there
i had laser cut ribs, fuselage and tail of and All American and while dope was drying on another model managed to put this one toguether
will be powered by Enya 30
my first attempt with polyspan
and painted with the "usual" Star & Stripes, but brazilian flag colours
always wantes to build this one since my 15 years old, finally made it
will post pictures of the finishing.
the building was so fast that i missed the chance to take more pictures!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2016, 01:58:04 PM »

this is my second De Bolt model, really love De Bolt taste for graceful vintage planes
first one was the sexy Continental 1955

Randy Powell · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2016, 02:16:41 PM »

All Brazilian Senior?

fred cesquim · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2016, 02:35:37 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on December 14, 2016, 02:16:41 PM

All Brazilian Senior?

lol, not a bad idea at all !
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fred cesquim · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2017, 11:57:27 AM »

while priming and sanding the Starduster, managed to complete the building, now it´s covering time!
will be nose heavy for sure!

wwwarbird · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2017, 06:07:38 PM »

Looks really nice Fred!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2017, 02:16:53 AM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on January 06, 2017, 06:07:38 PM

Looks really nice Fred!

thanks a lot! now it´s ready for polyspan/carbon veil!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2017, 02:44:48 AM »

Quote from: Avaiojet on January 05, 2017, 02:18:42 PM

Fred,

Wow! Outstanding!

My Mentor from Brazil, I am steaming jealous, I might even troll you. Forgive me.

My All American Sr. is still in the box. BUMMER!!

Looks like you made a few building improvements, tip? Anything else?

Did you keep the inboard wing at 3" longer?

And you will power it with what?

Is this a customer's model or your own?

Nose heavy? Back then everything we flew balanced on the LE.

Please, post all the finishing tasks. I won't miss a thing.

One of your Grasshoppers,

Charles

hello Charles! thanks for the kind words again!
will be powered by enya 30
roght now the CG is on the wheel collars hahaha, had to add a few lead ballast to the tail, come really nose heavy!
yeap, 3" longer inside, looks odd but i´ll live with that (maybe taking some medicine to tame my obsessions with simmetry)
someone told me that his plane have a tendency to come to the center of the circle, started to be worried with flight characteristics, but really, this one is built just for fun, no expectations of a good flyer.
i have only added tail wheel (used the tail skid as a cover to bury the wheel)
sheeted the back of the wingtip for better polyspan attachment and that´s all
since i have no kit to compare, i am not sure if anything else was changed
finishing will be polyspan wing and carbon veil fuselage
right now have 3 dope layers sanded with 320 sandpapaer

john e. holliday · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2017, 10:32:33 AM »

Fred, once the plane is done and ready for flight make sure the engine is broke in. I still have my AA Sr hanging on the hook. Has flown at VSC (Vintage Stunt Championships) in Tuscon Arizona. On grass the take off is not that bad if you make a smooth take off. On pavement be on your toes and immediately start moving backwards to keep the lines tight, same on grass but not as much. The landings is where you have to land it F2C racing style. In other words you give down elevator to keep it planted to the surface. If you try landing like a normal stunt plane you will have many landings other wise known as bounces before it stops. It takes practice. It is a fun plane to fly, also don't forget the wingtip weight.will be more than normal.

fred cesquim · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2017, 01:41:18 PM »

Quote from: Avaiojet on January 11, 2017, 05:48:02 AM

Fred,

Good morning "Brazil style," whatever that means.

Stake and eggs?

What kit is this your building?

Were you tempted to shorten the nose and add a bit to the tail length?

I think this has been done before with the All American SR.? (Note my question mark.)

Can't wait to see your progress and the finish will be "Brazil Style" with great flag colors
.
I just love those international flags.

Charles

hello Charles!
well, Brazilian breakfast is not fancy as USA version! the usual is bread with butter on the hot plate (pão na chapa) and a cup of coffe with milk (média) hahaha
and the coffee comes in a "copo americano" sorta american glass, don´t know why this name, but it´s the one in the picture.
My BEST breakfast ever was on HW1 on a nice stop at Davenport. Full American breakfast with eggs, sausage, bacon, bread and coffe!
back to the model world:
it´s not a kit, just laser cut ribs and fuse sides. i am following original DeBolt plans
haven´t tried to change anything to keep the originality of the model!
really would benefit of a shorter nose and longer tail, but then we would loose the charm!
be back soon!
regards
Fred

fred cesquim · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2017, 01:55:24 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on January 11, 2017, 10:32:33 AM

Fred, once the plane is done and ready for flight make sure the engine is broke in. I still have my AA Sr hanging on the hook. Has flown at VSC (Vintage Stunt Championships) in Tuscon Arizona. On grass the take off is not that bad if you make a smooth take off. On pavement be on your toes and immediately start moving backwards to keep the lines tight, same on grass but not as much. The landings is where you have to land it F2C racing style. In other words you give down elevator to keep it planted to the surface. If you try landing like a normal stunt plane you will have many landings other wise known as bounces before it stops. It takes practice. It is a fun plane to fly, also don't forget the wingtip weight.will be more than normal.

Hello John
thanks a lot for the helpful information! seems to me a handfull to fly!
do you think i still need wingtip weight with 3" extra inboard wing? i thought thta the extra lift would overcome the weight
i fly from pavement, that would be tricky for sure! hahahah
will keep you updated!
thanks!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #11 on:** January 12, 2017, 02:29:16 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on January 12, 2017, 01:56:55 PM

Yes, I have wing tip weight in mine. Forgot to say, once airborne they fly better than the pilot that tries to fly them.

will do as you say! and i am sure will fly better than me!
thanks John!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2022, 04:24:37 PM »

well, 5 years or so after this dead thread, i am back.
i have gave up finishing the model, and sold ready to be painted for a friend.
2 years ago, a long time friend came to my town and gifted me his original All American kit , so, i had to build and finish this one.
but there´s more to the story: when i started c/l back in 1984, i was waiting my ride to the field with my model in front of my house. An "older "man passed through and asked me where we used to fly, and he told me he was a c/l flier from south of the country and moved to the northwest ( where i was living back then). He then showed up at the field on same day and we spent a lot of time talking ( he moved from same city i was born in south) and he was living a few steps from my house. he invited me to see his models and 14 years old me went there. He showed me 2 things that really caught my attention> a ME BF100 twin engine and he won a south american scale with the plane ( immediatly i decided i would be a scale c/l competitor, wich actually took 37 years to happen) and the other thing was this vintage all american sr kit by demeco. i was amazed with the model, back then in brazil we are forbid to import stuff, only if you travel and bring with you and we had a 200$ or so limit, so imports are really a "thing". We became life long friends and even after my return to my original city, são paulo, we kept in contact. 2 years ago he came for a visit and brought the kit for me! can´t tell how happy i am! this one is near finish now, already covered and ready for primer

wwwarbird · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2022, 06:24:05 PM »

Quote from: fred cesquim on February 17, 2022, 04:24:37 PM

well, 5 years or so after this dead thread, i am back.
i have gave up finishing the model, and sold ready to be painted for a friend.

Bummer, I was hoping to see the finished product, the Brazilian flag scheme would have been a neat look too.

fred cesquim · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2022, 03:12:29 AM »

Quote from: Avaiojet on February 17, 2022, 06:41:19 PM

Fred,

Can't wait to see the this model finished.

Charles

thanks Charles, this one is coming along really fast, hope to primer next week!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #15 on:** February 18, 2022, 03:13:26 AM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on February 17, 2022, 06:24:05 PM

Bummer, I was hoping to see the finished product, the Brazilian flag scheme would have been a neat look too.

you´re gonna see it soon! i am finishing the second model right now! will keep the brazilian flag color scheme!

wwwarbird · « **Reply #16 on:** February 18, 2022, 07:42:19 PM »

Quote from: fred cesquim on February 18, 2022, 03:13:26 AM

you´re gonna see it soon! i am finishing the second model right now! will keep the brazilian flag color scheme!

Great!

Tony Drago · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2022, 01:26:47 AM »

Fred. Cool story.
Hal Debolt did say that the out-board wing was never supposed to be that short. But by time he noticed the error it was too late, and the kits were already in production.

L0U CRANE · « **Reply #18 on:** April 16, 2022, 01:13:27 PM »

Back when Harold DeBolt designed the AA Sr, many flew 'clockwise' (left to right on the ground.) Engine torque was reversed. It helped lift the longer inboard wing. No tip weight was needed, or very little if any...

I built and flew an AA Sr in the mid-1970's. Factory reverse rotation crankshafts were available for Fox35. So I set one up and flew the 'mirror-image' of early clockwise flying. (That also put the UP line forward!) No problem. Easier takeoffs and a bit easier landings.

Doc mentioned the drive-it-on landing style: Keep reasonable airspeed, wheel it on, then a breath of DOWN to 'stick' it. Another reason for bouncing landings was the far forward wheel location.

The Fox, BTW, flew exactly like it did in stock counter-clockwise form. You just had to flip the prop the other way to start. If you forgot NOT to punch the pavement when starting the model on its wheels, your hand might hurt enough to distract your flying.

Don't ask how I found that out

.

fred cesquim · « **Reply #19 on:** May 19, 2022, 05:03:22 AM »

let´s add some color

fred cesquim · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2022, 11:46:07 AM »

gettin´"pretty" as much as this design can be called pretty

john e. holliday · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2022, 11:48:16 AM »

Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I will wait for completion to make another comment.

fred cesquim · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2022, 12:34:51 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on June 23, 2022, 11:48:16 AM

Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I will wait for completion to make another comment.

moving on, to where, not sure yet

fred cesquim · « **Reply #23 on:** June 23, 2022, 12:39:07 PM »

i was correctly informed that this plane belongs to OTS, can someone move this thread to the proper place ?
thanks in advance!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #24 on:** June 24, 2022, 07:29:07 AM »

all "south" american Senior almost there

fred cesquim · « **Reply #25 on:** July 05, 2022, 04:50:07 PM »

closer to clear coat

Dennis Adamisin · « **Reply #26 on:** July 06, 2022, 10:49:54 AM »

BRAVO!!! I really like what you are doing herewith the All Brazilian!!!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #27 on:** July 06, 2022, 02:36:18 PM »

Quote from: Dennis Adamisin on July 06, 2022, 10:49:54 AM

BRAVO!!! I really like what you are doing herewith the All Brazilian!!!

thanks Dennis!! trying to keep up with the original design , mixing with brazilian colors and some more modern touches, hope the final result looks good

fred cesquim · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2022, 12:26:05 PM »

clear coat done, next is attaching hinges, bolt gear, bolt the fox and run to the field

john e. holliday · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2022, 04:59:59 PM »

Too shiny for old time.

Really it looks great.

fred cesquim · « **Reply #30 on:** July 12, 2022, 05:41:38 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on July 12, 2022, 04:59:59 PM

Too shiny for old time.

Really it looks great.

you should have told me before! i would do a brush finish
thanks John, hope to fly her and land in one piece within 3 weeks
fingers crossed and legs ready for running

fred cesquim · « **Reply #31 on:** July 14, 2022, 05:06:32 PM »

finished, now gathering courage to fly her

fred cesquim · « **Reply #32 on:** July 14, 2022, 05:08:15 PM »

i had to play with brazilian flag colours and USA standard finish. not my cup of tea design but i am pleased how it ended

fred cesquim · « **Reply #33 on:** July 14, 2022, 05:09:08 PM »

next post hopefully is flight impressions

john e. holliday · « **Reply #34 on:** July 15, 2022, 09:06:04 AM »

I like it. Shouldn't be hard to see. I must say you have a lot more patience than I do. I do good to have two color scheme with graphics added.

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #35 on:** July 15, 2022, 06:32:27 PM »

Fred - it may be the camera but it looks like your wings are nearly equal span. To fully appreciate the All American Sr experience they need to be wildly different in length. Just asking - Ken

john e. holliday · « **Reply #36 on:** July 16, 2022, 10:20:58 PM »

My ruler may be off, but wing shows a good difference in span of the panels.

In fact go look at bare wing structure in original post.

fred cesquim · « **Reply #37 on:** July 17, 2022, 01:39:02 PM »

Quote from: Ken Culbertson on July 15, 2022, 06:32:27 PM

Fred - it may be the camera but it looks like your wings are nearly equal span. To fully appreciate the All American Sr experience they need to be wildly different in length. Just asking - Ken

it´s like the plans, huge assimetry! i played a trick with the size of stripes and maybe that helped.

fred cesquim · « **Reply #38 on:** July 17, 2022, 01:39:54 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on July 15, 2022, 09:06:04 AM

I like it. Shouldn't be hard to see. I must say you have a lot more patience than I do. I do good to have two color scheme with graphics added.

thank you! vinyl cutter is the patience guy, i just spray the colors!

john e. holliday · « **Reply #39 on:** July 17, 2022, 08:54:38 PM »

Yes, the paint scheme does make the panels look almost equal. Remember to step back on take off. Also so very little up. Once up to speed you will be surprised how well it flies.

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #40 on:** July 17, 2022, 09:32:16 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on July 17, 2022, 08:54:38 PM

Yes, the paint scheme does make the panels look almost equal. Remember to step back on take off. Also so very little up. Once up to speed you will be surprised how well it flies.

What he said!

Ken

Dennis Adamisin · « **Reply #41 on:** July 25, 2022, 01:37:20 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on July 17, 2022, 08:54:38 PM

Yes, the paint scheme does make the panels look almost equal. Remember to step back on take off. Also so very little up. Once up to speed you will be surprised how well it flies.

+1