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Time To Finish The Spitfire
« on: April 01, 2018, 06:09:38 AM »
After a 12 year absence from the hobby, time to dust off my scratch built Urtnowski Spitfire. I got the canopy on last night, now I just need to blend it in. What makes it difficult for me is getting a smooth blend from the wood to the canopy because you have to guess the thickness the silkspan and paint will add to the surrounding area of the canopy and hope they come in at the same height. I hate building HB~>
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2018, 10:24:20 AM »
Right on Buddy, welcome back.
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2018, 11:40:24 AM »
Thanks mike. H^^ Charles should like that Skylark, its 2k clear coat, sprayed waaay back in the 1990's. Z@@ZZZ Lol.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2018, 12:39:58 PM »
Everything is in silver except the fuse, rudder, cowl and air scoop. I still have to silkspan them. The entire plane will be in sprayed with Sig Silver to highlight every defect on the model, making it easier spot, sand and fill. After the silver is perfect, I will start laying down the invasion stripes.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2018, 03:19:50 PM »
Kevin,

Welcome.

All the building I see looks excellent, especially the cowling detail.  H^^

Looks like you have excellent building skills, I'm glad you're posting your work.

And a Spitfire to boot!!

Are your lead outs solid wire? Gear legs look really interesting.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2018, 07:10:16 PM »
This Spitfire has solid lead outs.
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2018, 07:36:07 PM »
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2018, 08:00:02 PM »
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Thanks for that generous PDF file.  H^^

Ya gotta love the Spitfire wing.

That Spitfire wing build must have been a challenge?

I'm looking forward to more photos.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2018, 05:56:46 AM »
Sorry the plan wasn't better. The wing actually was not that difficult. The tips were intimidating but nothing compared too that Hi Johnson Stuka wing. I built the  Spitfire wing over a dead flat table using (2) 3/8" steel rods with supports at the center and tips. Its straight as an arrow. All 4-6lbs contest balsa from Riley Wooten's Lone Star Balsa. it has a molded leading edge, 4 inch bellcrank, adjustable leadout guide and wing tip weight box. The 1/8 landing gear arm goes right to the top of the huge fat wing for strength and the wing is covered with medium silkspan, Old School. I did get the canopy blended in some more, because I made a mess of the first one.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2018, 07:09:10 AM »
Finally! Got some work done on the Spit. Saturday morning, Got up at 5am, wife still sleeping. Between work and wasting time on the internet nothing gets done! Did some more sanding around the fuse where it meets the canopy. I had a different thinner canopy fitted originally, so that, combined with fitting a different one took some time. Thanks to Charles for his help and to Lee for loaning me some Spitfire videos!

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2018, 10:35:14 PM »
Ready for Dope. Got the canopy blending done; Sanded down the fiber glassed nose; Block sanded the entire fuse with 320; Sanded and cleaned up where the wing fillet will be; Fitted the Ro Jett 65; Opened up a hole where the needle valve exists the fuse.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2018, 10:39:18 PM »
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2018, 08:07:07 PM »
I got some more work done on the Spitfire. I moved the air scoop forward to get the exhaust outlet further away from the fuselage. I also opened up the hole on the scoop to help get rid of the heat from the header. The only reason I originally went with a rear exhaust thinking it would help minimize the exhaust residue on the finish, but I don't know if it will help much. I would have installed my brand new Big Jim ST 60, but the mounting holes are different and its its a little heavier. I got the first coat of 35/65 Sig Lite Coat on the fuse, cowl and rudder, thinned with Canadian Tire Lacquer thinner, its made by Recochem.                                                                       


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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2018, 12:00:16 AM »
Alright! got some more done on the Spit! Everything is now covered in medium silkspan I got from Sig Manufacturing! The cowl I managed to skip the filler coat and its now in silver. The fuse had the first 3 coats of Lite Coat thinned 30/70 and brushed on, sanding with 320 after the 2nd coat. after the silkspan was applied, I brushed on 4 coats of 35/65 Lite Coat sanding with 320 after the 2nd and will sand the 4th coat with 320 to. I am hoping to skip the filler coats but I don't know, the wood has some pretty deep grain. What else? I want to install a camera mount in the wing after seeing how cool it was from using one on my wife's P40 Warhawk. That means I would have to cut the silkspan off 1 open bay, no big deal, but I am also considering to replace all the silkspan (On the open bays only) with Polyspan to but it would add a lot of weight...I have to think about this one...For any that want to see the P40 please check out my youtube channel. Its "American Bulldog Rocky".
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2018, 12:05:31 AM »
My you tube channel

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2018, 05:06:07 PM »
Ok, I decided I liked the video camera on the P40 Warhawk so much that I cut the Spitfire wing open to install another. All it takes is some plywood and a 440 blind mounting nut. These video cameras are the lightest at 17 grams and have the best video quality. You can get these camera at this link. Don't buy from anyone else because there are ALOT of fakes out there! https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-DVR-808-16-V3-Lens-D-Car-Key-Chain-Micro-Camera-HD-720P-Pocket-Camcorder/180937263580?hash=item2a20b389dc:g:aaoAAOxycmBS01Wl

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2018, 05:13:47 PM »
I have a Mobius camera I just stick on and use a rubber band to help secure....fun footage.
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2018, 10:03:48 PM »
I have a Mobius camera I just stick on and use a rubber band to help secure....fun footage.
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Ha ha @ Vomit cam Shug. I subscribed to your channel and have watched lots of your videos. I gave this one a thumbs up. As for camera mounts, its been my experience that a solidly mounted camera gives a lot better picture, plus the reassurance of it not flying off and hitting someone, or even worse not being able to find where it landed ;D

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2018, 10:22:28 PM »
Alright, camera mount is pretty much done. I took 2 pieces of 1/16" plywood and epoxied them together with the grain going in the opposite direction, and sanded a very slight curve on the side that will be glued against the inside leading edge sheeting. The rear part of the mount will be against the 1/4" wing spar, the left side of the mount will be up against the plywood landing gear doubler. The rest I sanded and tapered down to a curve to avoid any stress risers. The glass cloth I will lay down first to strengthen up the wing sheeting. Patched up hole with medium silkspan; Using Sig Supercoat high shrink clear to tighten up the silkspan.
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2018, 05:38:56 AM »
Ha ha @ Vomit cam Shug. I subscribed to your channel and have watched lots of your videos. I gave this one a thumbs up. As for camera mounts, its been my experience that a solidly mounted camera gives a lot better picture, plus the reassurance of it not flying off and hitting someone, or even worse not being able to find where it landed ;D
Not had one fly off ....yet!
I like to get several options of mounting for different angles.
Fun to watch and see the surrounding area from planes POV.
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2018, 07:07:33 AM »
Not had one fly off ....yet!
I like to get several options of mounting for different angles.
Fun to watch and see the surrounding area from planes POV.
Yes, placing the camera in different locations is a great option too. My way is definitely not the only way!  I absolutely love these cameras! ;D

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2018, 07:57:02 AM »
Ok! I got the day off work so I can get back to what's really important, Spitfires! #^. Instead of having the camera mount sitting on the surface of the wing like on the P40, I decided to recess it, that way it will never damage the paint. I will make a 'Gas cap' out of 1/16" plywood and balsa to use when the camera is not installed! ;D Got 2 more coats of Supercoat on the patch, It looks ugly but soon you will never know it was patched! ;D I also had a DENT on the silkspan over an open bay so I brushed on some Supercoat to see if it would disappear, we will see...
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2018, 08:40:29 AM »
Pictured: Dent in the silkspan.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2018, 08:44:46 AM »
Pictured: Supercoating the silkspan. Tight as a drum. Your wife's iron and hair dryer not required.
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2018, 05:56:07 AM »
Happy Sunday everyone! Ok, Spitfire open wing surgery is now done, and everything is back in silver. That dent I just put a small patch of silkspan over; The gas cap/ camera mount cover is done, so the camera will sit lower in the wing, giving it a cooler more aerodynamically correct look, and wont mar the finish like it would if it was flush mounted. I also got the rudder in silver and I'm now working on sanding the clear on the Fuse to get it perfectly flat with an absolute minimum amount of paint.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2018, 07:48:37 AM »
I got the clear on the fuse meticulously sanded down as flat as I could get it without going down to the silkspan, and where I did I just sealed it with one brush stroke of clear, mostly where the silkspan overlapped. I skipped the fillercoat and sprayed it with silver. I can now fill only where needed, instead of doing the entire fuse like I've always done in the past. I want to keep the weight to a minimum. I feel that I've accomplished that. I am also trying to keep the fillets to a minimum. In the olden days I remember putting 1/4 inch epoxolite fillets on my Argus ;D

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2018, 06:15:46 AM »
Weee doggy, just got back from Toronto and the highlight of my trip was meeting two time world champion Arden Zhang and checking out his hobby shop. Theres a link in the description box, What a great guy!
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2018, 08:41:15 AM »
Blending in the Landing Gear Doors: I also put 3 pieces of masking tape on the bottom of each door to raise them up higher than the surface of the wing before sanding them flush. After removing the tape from the bottom of the door they will sit be a bit lower, to allow for the thickness of the dope and silkspan. My sanding block is just a scrap piece of aluminum off a Boeing 747 ram air duct with double back tape to hold the 80 grit sandpaper. Oh... one more thing about silver and masking tape, I have found 99 % of the problems are not with the paint but with the painter. Tape pulling up silver = NOT ENOUGH THINNER.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2018, 06:37:53 PM »
Sorry I haven't been on due to family problems my time for the hobby is very limited. I did spray the canopy today it was 37 percent humidity. Its like you have to paint in a desert to stop the moisture. Most of it did evaporate, but it still looks like S****. All that time and weight spent. R%%%%

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2018, 03:17:35 PM »
Wow, I cant believe its time to lay down some color on the Spitfire! So many choices! To me, this is the most exciting part!

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2018, 09:09:49 PM »
If anyone wants to share any pictures of their favorite Spitfire that would look good on a stunt plane that would be cool. I am open for opinions and suggestions. Here is one I might use.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2018, 08:36:42 AM »
I am voting first picture top right, the one with invasion stripes. 
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2018, 06:26:03 PM »
I am voting first picture top right, the one with invasion stripes.
Thanks for the feedback TDM. I agree with you. I will try to upload a pic of the real invasion- striped spitfire I am trying to copy. The black wing walk on top of the invasion stripe sealed the deal. Google image search "mk 959" for better pics of this one! Also,  Do you or anyone else know what colors the camouflage is for Sig or Brodak dope? Thanks.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2018, 06:28:54 PM »
Spitfire Mk959. Google it. This is one of the nicest looking restored spitfires I have ever seen. Read the history of this plane, it was gutted and sitting on top of a post at one time.
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2018, 07:06:25 PM »
This picture %^@

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2018, 08:18:14 PM »
The models wing is a near perfect shape as the real one. This made copying the real Spitfires paint lines to the model real easy and accurate.  The fuse is a different story. I will have to finesse the graphics a lot...
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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2018, 08:35:01 PM »
Laying out the trim. I will go for the fat wing walk like the one pictured in front of the model instead of the more common thin one shown in many of the pictures

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2018, 06:14:40 AM »
Because you are not exactly scale interpret in terms of what you have. I would think the stripes are about half the wing then look at your wing and make them about half the wing and so on. That will be an unbelievable cool model. Good luck.
What I would like to do is a Voodoo from Reno racing. I could use the same things I have now wings and tails and make a fuselage. Also I wanted to make a RC Citation with all the good stuff. I need to stop dreaming.
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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2018, 03:29:15 PM »
Thanks TDM. You should build that P51 man! Reno Air racers are cool and I Love that Voodoo's paint job. I have a Tsunami Reno air racer in my stable ;D So... Yesterday I was outside on the balcony spraying on the Spit's fin flash, and I put a good dent in the wing. Got it fixed now. I also got the Brodak exhaust stacks on too. I got a good tip from Walter Hicks, glue thin plywood on the backs before you put them on the fuse. I will also drill a small hole in the bottom just incase the heat of the sun swells them up and they separate from the fuselage.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2018, 03:32:53 PM »
Fixing a dent.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2018, 03:36:42 PM »
Dent fixed. Working on the fin flash! Finally going to see some color paint!  n~ ;D

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2018, 03:40:53 PM »
Exhaust installed.

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2018, 03:50:15 PM »
Flashy Fin flash dude. Sig White and Brodak Insignia Blue & Red

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Re: Time To Finish The Spitfire
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2018, 04:04:55 PM »
CHOOSING THE SPITFIRE'S NOSE ART. ACES HIGH: IRON MAIDEN SPITFIRE OR REALLY ANGRY MOOSE?
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