John, I have no problem with technological advances. I only have a problem with mixed technologies that do not recognise technological advantages or disavantages over others in a competitive event. Why not electric classes and I.C. classes. Then there is no chance for issues developing. You only have to look to R.O.A.R, the governing body for R/C  car racing and see the rats nest that has developed with the latest technological advances that has caused rules changes in R/C car racing on a yearly basis to the point that soon, there will only be one approved motor and one approved speed control per class because competion classes are blured, undiscernable and out of control. If thats what some people want to do go ahead but don't drag the current setup with it to a quicker distruction. If the new technology is so great, the new event will flourish, have all the fun you want,  the old event will die. I have no problem with that at all.
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Wayne

My point is this; technology whether universally embraced or not influences and changes society. It has and will continue to change modeling. Unless we figure out how to take it and sensibly apply it to our event, we will indeed fade away and be replaced.

I don’t know what mistakes the car people made, but stunt and scale seem to be integrating it without major problems.

Quote[Its simple John, stunt and scale are subjective. They are not a race of any kind. They are not being clocked. In the end carrier is a race. You dont see IC and electric combined in C/L speed, they are kept separate. Impossible to classify motors equally not to mention the speed controlers. What is the electric motor equivalant of a .36, .40 or.60. Show me. How are you going to categorize the electric motor with some sort of handicap. Come on lets get serious about this.
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Wayne]

Well Wayne I was not just referring to motors, but just to clarify it is not the speed controller, but rather the weight that determines power. Power is a product of the amps and voltage. The heavier motor and battery can produce more power than the light ones. The weight limits we imposed on electrics turned out to be very close to right. They may have to be tweaked, but I think they are pretty close to comparable at this time.

I am convinced that I can set up a 15 profile for example to compete with a Cox 15 or Nelson 15, or any other performance motor that hits the 70 mph limit, or I Can set it up to be comparable to a sport 15 powered plane.  Both configurations will fly reliably. If you want to hit 70 you’ll have to get a racing motor, and spend a lot of time getting it to run reliably. Even then you will have problems with reliability. The same will be true in other classes eventually. Right now electrics seem to be a bit behind glow in the AMA classes.

The people that go fast and really slow in any class use modified engines, and spend a lot of time getting to that point. There are few that can compete at that level. I feel electrics would open rather than further close competition. Whether either is better, who knows, but if you read pg 92, you should realize than electric motors and 2.4 ghz radios are far more likely to bring in new CL fliers, than lose them.

Look at our ages, when we leave so does our hobby / sport.

And by the way I am serious.

John Vlna

Well God forbid if Control line as a whole progressed in anyway! ...and yes I'm being sarcastic.