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Offline Bob Reeves

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Rule Book Line length question..
« on: May 24, 2012, 02:33:50 PM »
So if I understand it, the rules are now set up so low speed weighs more on paper than high speed... Then how come the lines can be 6 inches longer but not 6 inches shorter?

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Re: Rule Book Line length question..
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 04:52:39 PM »
3 minutes low speed is the point where your low speed points equal your high speed points. If your low is less than 3 minutes, your high speed points exceed your low speed points. Way back when, high speed was the important thing and low speed was merely a formality. The line length requirements probably go back to the original 1950 rules.

Half a foot of line length out of 60 feet is equal to half a second out of 60, or about .2 seconds on a 24 sec. hi speed. Not a lot to get hung up on!

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Re: Rule Book Line length question..
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 05:42:20 PM »
Kind thought it might have been a left over from the early days of Carrier... Being an old combat flyer and being used to plus or minus 6 inches the carrier line length rule surprised me.

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Re: Rule Book Line length question..
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 08:22:19 PM »
Carrier is sort of an oddball event in the both high & low speed matter.  It's also the only one with a one-sided tolerance.

Of course in combat & racing, it's essential that the plnes have nearly equal length lines.

Speed uses a minimum only.  Obviously, you're beating yourself with long lines.

I think in the early days of Carrier they ran it like a speed event and only cared about high speed.  Somebody probably dreamed up a theory that somebody might cheat on LOW with long lines, hence they clapped on the +6".   But in reality, the smart constestant is as close the minimum as humanly possible.

In the old days, profile carrier went like this:  Everybody went about 20 MPH low and the HIGH's varied from 80 to 90 MPH, so High speed was everything.

In modern Profile Carrier, High Speed typcially varies from about 26 to 20 seconds and LOW Speed varies from 60 to 240 seconds, so the winning is done at low speed.  With the model hanging virtually stopped, ling length means almost nothing.




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Re: Rule Book Line length question..
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2012, 08:31:59 PM »
The simple fact that the airplane needs to land on the deck (and in many cases not hit the island) dictates that the line length needs to be held to tighter tolerances than most events.

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Re: Rule Book Line length question..
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2012, 09:31:10 PM »
The basis for the carrier rule may be because it is basically a speed event. In speed there is simply a minimum length. Since carrier has both high and low speed, a maximum length is needed. So in carrier we have a minimum 60' and a max 60'6"

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Re: Rule Book Line length question..
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 10:17:10 AM »
I remember the days when it was + or - 6 inches on 60 foot lines.  Most guys would use the -6 inches.   You should hear the cries when they found out they were actually 7 inches too short.   Also used have some launch from the front of the deck.  That is how much acceleration there was.  Now we have the 48 inch line which some are now complaining to too short for launch.   But, with minimum of 60 feet some guys still can't get it right.  That is why there is a plus 6inch tolerance.   If you think that is too close, try tying lines for F2C.
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