Author Topic: NW Carrier plane for Rouge Park May 16-17 (Read 13988 times)

Paul Smith · « **on:** April 09, 2015, 07:56:53 AM »

This year's spring contest, May 16 & 17 will be a memorial to Jim Morway. Jim was a combat and stunt flyer dating back to the early 1960's.

I'm working a NW 40 profile carrier plane. It's Carl Goldberg Cosmic Wind modified into a Curtis P-35 Hawk. All I need to do is redrill the front end for an OS FP40. I think I can get a score under the "everything you brung" policy.

JoeJust · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2015, 01:42:59 PM »

Paul, 3-line or 2.4?
Joe

Paul Smith · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2015, 04:12:09 PM »

2.4. The RC system worked OK with OS 35 AX. The engine didn't hold an idle well enough but the 2.4 worked. I hope the FP 40 with muffler pressure will be better.

JoeJust · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2015, 07:22:51 PM »

Paul, trust me, it will be everything you wanted.
Joe

Paul Smith · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2015, 04:41:47 PM »

I went to the Toledo RC Show today to pick up some odd bits and pieces. The show is pretty-near all electric.

Hundreds of exhibitors invested countless dollars and yen and travelled thousands of miles and kilometers in hopes of makes millions in profits. Me and Ralph invested $20 in tickets and a tank of gasoline.

Unfortunately Toledo Edison had a power outrage an hour into the show, plunging Seagate Center into total darkness. This was a disaster except for shoplifters. A few minutes later the backup generator kicked in, but with only about 20% power. Dim lighting at best and no credit card scanners. This was a multi-million dollar loss to the hobby industry.

This was ironically caused by the addiction to ELECTRICTY. Electric RC goes down under electric failure. Priceless.

don Burke · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2015, 07:45:45 PM »

Quote from: Paul Smith on April 09, 2015, 07:56:53 AM

This year's spring contest, May 16 & 17 will be a memorial to Jim Morway. Jim was a combat and stunt flyer dating back to the early 1960's.

I'm working a NW 40 profile carrier plane. It's Carl Goldberg Cosmic Wind modified into a Curtis P-35 Hawk. All I need to do is redrill the front end for an OS FP40. I think I can get a score under the "everything you brung" policy.

Today for the first time I flew my profile MO-1 w/FP-40 and 2.4 throttle . I have a 9 gram micro servo driving the throttles. Ton's of fun trying to figure out the right throttle settings but things are looking up.

JoeJust · « **Reply #6 on:** April 12, 2015, 10:45:44 AM »

Don, You hit the nail dead on with the word "FUN". 2.4 usage for me has been an adventure and continues to be a lot of fun and enjoyment for somebody like me with very limited manual skills, but with lots of time to play. At this point I really don't think anything like using 2.4 will increase my scores much, but man oh man it offers lots of laughs, fun and ease of usage. Next Sunday I will again be flying a 2.4 Wildcat at the Portland,OR contest. (with my usual tongue in cheek approach) I am now working on a "secret" NW .40 plane that will dominate! (Yea, Right!)
Joe

Paul Smith · « **Reply #7 on:** May 12, 2015, 08:06:36 AM »

The test session went well yesterday, Wednesday May 13th. Among the stuff tried out were one class of stunt, one of racing, three combat events, and three carrier events.

The carrier stuff included two different 2.4 rigs and a 36 profile that hadn't been flown since 1982, but still went OK on the first re-test flight.

The contest will feature the usual "any event you want" format. Combat and racing both days (May 16 & 17) and carrier all day Sunday.

JoeJust · « **Reply #8 on:** May 12, 2015, 09:39:15 AM »

To any Carrier person, or for that matter anyone with an interest in flying carrier( for FUN! or competition) should attend this event. Many years ago I went to this contest and have more than many fond memories of being there. The site is really nice, the people flying are just great, and you will be more than welcome.
Joe
PS I have attached he NW rules for Sport .40 Profile. Simple, easy and FUN! Give it a try. Need more info? Contact me.

Paul Smith · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2015, 10:16:43 AM »

I'll send you a score if I'm able to get one.

I'm also trying to sort out an old Profile 36 plane that last flew in the '82 Nats.

JoeJust · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2015, 02:22:57 PM »

Here's my latest beast. As yet it has not flown. I built it to show what could possibly be the next argument in Sport .40. This looks like no plane that ever flew off a carrier. I think he rules need just a slight tweaking concerning a plane's eligibility. While the rules now state that there are no scale points, I do think a Carrier plane should at the least look like something that was real. Opinions?
Joe

Jim Carter · « **Reply #11 on:** May 12, 2015, 03:26:40 PM »

Quote from: JoeJust on May 12, 2015, 02:22:57 PM

Here's my latest beast. As yet it has not flown. I built it to show what could possibly be the next argument in Sport .40. This looks like no plane that ever flew off a carrier. I think he rules need just a slight tweaking concerning a plane's eligibility. While the rules now state that there are no scale points, I do think a Carrier plane should at the least look like something that was real. Opinions?
Joe

Greetings! I know I may have no business responding to this but as I just finished reading the rules I have mixed emotions about your question. On the one hand, I believe a modeler/competitor should be able to let his or her imagination go for it when it comes to design and building. There's no doubt there would be some very unique creations on the flight deck. Yet at the same time given the nature of / original intent there should be some kind of separation of the two designs. I have no doubt the needs of real carrier ops place some severe restrictions on what can or could be done in real terms. For example, while a mission ready Harrier may well be suited to carrier ops but a mission ready F-15 wouldn't, does that make sense?? Do you think the carrier community (rule committees and competitors) would entertain the idea of two separate umbrella classes under which the current rules regarding dimensions, options, sizes, engines, etcetera would fall; say a "Replica Scale" and an Imagination Scale" category?? The two categories would in theory never vie for the same trophy(s) thus satisfying the question you put forth.

eric david conley · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2015, 04:12:40 PM »

The idea behind this event was to get people to try carrier flying. It is thought that there are a lot of planes hanging in garages that could be easily converted to carrier use by adding throttle for a very low tech carrier plane. I think the rules are stretching it by requiring paint jobs for the event instead of just saying bring what you got. If some one wants to build a Navy Carrier Plane to compete with there are something like a dozen other carrier events to enter. Eric

JoeJust · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2015, 05:17:09 PM »

Eric, your NW .40 planes that I have seen pictures of are beautiful and look like a real Navy aircraft. What I fear is that NW .40 profiles do not end up like the AMA Profile ships that created the 10 point scale bonus back in the early 70's. Back then the profile ships morphed into looking like a slow combat model with a hook. The event is NAVY CARRIER. Not much effort in making, let us say, a Ringmaster, into something that looks like an actual Navy plane. I have a listing and plans of about 12 "look alike" Navy planes all using the Ringmaster wing. They re available from the gentleman in California that sells the modified R/C car transmitter for CL. The plans include a Wildcat, Hellcat Claude, Zero, Helldiver and more. The NW .40 Sport Profile event is a big shot in the arm all around the Nation. My fear is that the event will slowly morph into what Profile Carrier went through years ago.
As I have no desire to seriously compete anymore I will just sit back and watch this great event grow as it should. but by also remaining a NAVY CARRIER EVENT!
Joe

eric david conley · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2015, 07:51:46 PM »

You just don't seem to able to leave well enough alone. If you want to build a carrier plane to fly carrier you have all kinds of carrier events that require carrier planes that look like real carrier planes and get points for looking like carrier planes. There is plenty of chances to win or place in these events because no one wants to spend that much time or effort to see if they even would like the event. The rules are simple and not demanding in the hope that some will take out one of their old planes, equip it with a throttle and fly the event. So far it seems to be working unlike anything else that has come along lately. Leave it alone. Eric

Paul Smith · « **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2015, 04:39:45 AM »

The rules have already been stretched well beyond the breaking point - all events.

Light observation planes that could land on any 80-foot runway.
One of a kind prototypes.
And the real winners, Nazi land airplanes that that theoretically might have been used on a carrier if they ever built one.

Maybe the fix would be a short list of genuine high performance fighters actually designed for and used on real aircraft carriers.

Larrys4227 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:16:26 AM »

I'm a sport/stunt flier, but have always been interested in carrier/throttled planes. No knowledge and no fellow carrier flyers kept me from pursuing it. Didn't realize 2.4 surface radios were so cheap.

For less than 50.00 ... I took an old Flight Streak and some SH knowledge and put it all together.

Had it's first flights yesterday .... amazingly FUN FUN FUN! Surprisingly, it stayed right out there on the lines on slow speed .... didn't time it, but it was slow-slow-slow .... almost Bi-Slob slow. Couple times I was almost able to stop the plane and hover. High speed was around 4 seconds p/lap ... counting in my head. Touch and go were tons of fun .... but the landing gear isn't tall enough or strong enough .... and I chipped a couple props.

Knowing the specifics of carrier rules and the precise discussions of it on SH .... I'd probably be laughed right out of the circle.

However, I am one of those cases that carrier has attracted new blood by simply taking a plane off the wall, throw a cheap 2.4 radio in it and get an introduction to the sport.

Wish I had some pictures of it in-flight ....

I wait with great anticipation for next weekend .....

Larrys4227 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2015, 06:34:45 AM »

I should have included this above ....

Yeah, not pretty but it seems to be real functional! The 4-cell NiCad is mounted in the out board wing tip.

Jim Carter · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2015, 01:20:44 PM »

Quote from: Larrys4227 on May 17, 2015, 06:34:45 AM

I should have included this above ....

Yeah, not pretty but it seems to be real functional! The 4-cell NiCad is mounted in the out board wing tip.

Wow! That's pretty slick! I like it!! Just curious though, from the looks of it, your flying lines aren't attached to the handle, as I've seen some fellows modify their transmitters, correct? How difficult was it to fly, I'm assuming you're a right hander for the control handle but then holding the transmitter in your left hand for throttle. Have you had any problems focusing with the differing use of both hands?

Jim

Larrys4227 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2015, 04:01:03 PM »

Hey Jim, you are correct.... I hold the transmitter in my left hand and handle in my right. I've raced cars and nitro boats... so I'm familiar with a trigger throttle. I wouldn't think it to be difficult for someone to learn though.

I found a set of aluminium landing gear in a box ... my prop is now 1.5" higher than before .... 2.5" total. Shouldn't have any trouble nicking props now. Also made a nice wingtip box for the battery and secured the wires from flapping around.

Can't wait to fly it again ... it was a ton of fun!

Paul Smith · « **Reply #20 on:** May 18, 2015, 06:41:35 AM »

Mine worked, except that the gas tank is too small and it kept running out of fuel before I could make a landing. But the OS FP 40, Brodak Cosmic Wind, and 2.4 throttle went OK.

In a real plane you do the stick with one hand and the throttle with the other. No problem. I prefer having my entire right hand, all four fingers, dedicated to holding onto the handle.

Jim Carter · « **Reply #21 on:** May 18, 2015, 09:48:03 AM »

Quote from: Larrys4227 on May 17, 2015, 04:01:03 PM

Hey Jim, you are correct.... I hold the transmitter in my left hand and handle in my right. I've raced cars and nitro boats... so I'm familiar with a trigger throttle. I wouldn't think it to be difficult for someone to learn though.

I found a set of aluminium landing gear in a box ... my prop is now 1.5" higher than before .... 2.5" total. Shouldn't have any trouble nicking props now. Also made a nice wingtip box for the battery and secured the wires from flapping around.

Can't wait to fly it again ... it was a ton of fun!

Sweeeeeeeeeeet

!! Yes, I too have raced the cars and hydro and deep vees along flying rc and control line. You're probably younger than me and I was just wondering if you had faced any learning curve problems with "remembering" which hand was doing what. Thus I suspect not and I really applaud what you've done. Maybe one day .... I'll try it too

!!

Larrys4227 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 18, 2015, 10:44:42 AM »

Quote from: Paul Smith on May 18, 2015, 06:41:35 AM

Mine worked, except that the gas tank is too small and it kept running out of fuel before I could make a landing. But the OS FP 40, Brodak Cosmic Wind, and 2.4 throttle went OK.

In a real plane you do the stick with one hand and the throttle with the other. No problem. I prefer having my entire right hand, all four fingers, dedicated to holding onto the handle.

Paul, do you have any pics? I just "winged" it with mine and put things where it seemed to make sense. I was determined to keep everything on the wing underside ... the only thing showing is the short antenna so that was a success.

I agree with you on 4 fingers on the handle .... couple times I got too high and too slow and had to really backpedal. Got a real hard jerk on the handle when the lines tightened up. Yippee for a good grip ....

Larrys4227 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 18, 2015, 10:59:02 AM »

Quote from: Jim Carter on May 18, 2015, 09:48:03 AM

Thus I suspect not and I really applaud what you've done. Maybe one day .... I'll try it too !!

Well ..... Thank you very much! Like I said to Paul .... I pretty much winged this whole project. Alot of the stuff I already had, and what I did have to buy was dirt cheap. I only have 6 flights on it .... can't wait for more .... it really flies exceptionally. I just wish the plane looked better ... its been through the mill. LOL

Last night I was thinking to take it a step further and use the 3rd channel to drop a hook ....

Paul Smith · « **Reply #24 on:** June 19, 2015, 02:23:51 PM »

Joe,

I brought the NW 40 plane to The Brodak. I wanted to show it to you, but you were gone before I got some circle time.

I flew it Friday and did a 200. 28 high and 100 low. How does that stack up?

I got it to where the plane is at 40 degrees hanging on the up line and I just fly it with the throttle trigger.

JoeJust · « **Reply #25 on:** June 19, 2015, 04:58:03 PM »

Paul, Ginny and I had to leave on Wed at noon. In the past 6 times I attended the Fly-In I had a great time! This trip was so much more fun that I can't even begin to describe it all!. (And that includes my "costume malfunction") Ginny's health problems were a concern, but the FUN, the LAUGHTER, and the fantastic FRIENDSHIP made not only my trip but her trip one of he best of all times. Sorry I didn't get to see your NW Sport .40 fly. It would be competitive hereabouts. Come on out!
Joe

eric david conley · « **Reply #26 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:25:44 PM »

Paul, that is a real good score in S40. I'm attaching the score sheet from the NWR S40 event and as you read the scores HS,LS, you can see how they mix. Burt was flying a biplane (Folker D-7) which wasn't very fast but he could hang it at 60 degrees. Mid to high 28s in HS by a few which is about tops out here and my LS in which I was at 20 to 30 degrees max. Mike Potter never envisioned this event to be a hanging event and so far Burt is the only person to be successful at trying it. Eric

Paul Smith · « **Reply #27 on:** June 20, 2015, 05:22:58 AM »

Joe,

Thanks for the golf cart. They were rented for the week. Sandy issued me your cart for the rest of then week (until noon Friday). Real Event Director status!

By Wednesday there wasn't the slightest mention of actually stopping flying for rain. All events complete - ahead of schedule, despite daily rain. It didn't rain ALL the time. Only about half.

The main event on Friday night was great, as always.