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Offline Terry Bolin

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roberts bellcrank ?
« on: August 21, 2009, 09:03:50 PM »
Hi guys! There are three of us building carrier planes to fly in 2010 from our club. I am installing the bellcrank in my Bradak wing and I am not real happy with the clearance between the two pushrods. (I'm still working on that though) My question is: There is some movement in the elevator bellcrank up and down out on the ends where the leadouts attach. (Center bushing has some slop) is this normal or is this bellcrank worn out? It was used when I got it. That movement is a factor in how close the pushrods get at times.
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Re: roberts bellcrank ?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 09:56:05 PM »
Terry,

Is this a Robert's bellcrank or a Brodak? They are slightly different and should not be used with a handle made by the other manufacturer (Roberts with Roberts, Bordak with Brodak).

Yes, there is usually some movement up and down even with a fairly new bellcrank and yes it looks like the pushrods can get in each others way. Just be careful and test it with a little bit of tension on the lines. Also leave plenty of headroom around the bellcrank so it doesn't hang up on a rib or the cutout that it sits in. It should not be a problem. I use a small clevis for the throttle connection so that it has the smallest profile (a "Z" bend takes up more space and has a greater chance of catching on something else).

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Re: roberts bellcrank ?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 12:00:49 PM »
Bob, thanks for the reply. I understand. What is the problem with using Brodak with JR and vise-versa?
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Re: roberts bellcrank ?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2009, 05:36:00 PM »
Terry,

I haven't tried using one brand with the other but have been told that the throws are different. I guess that means that the one bellcrank has different movement parameters and when used with a different handle you may not get proper control. What this would mean I'm not totally sure but it may make for more complications than it's worth. I'd stick with one brand or the other and be sure.

Bob
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Re: roberts bellcrank ?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2009, 08:31:24 AM »
If I remember right you don't get full throw using a J-Roberts handle on a Brodak bellcrank.  I would not use the old J-Roberts bellcranks as they don't look that healthy.  The ones that Leo Rytarsik made were a lot better, but, I guess had same throws.   I use my old J-Roberts handle and make adjustments for throws at the airplane.  Guess that is my problem, but, it worked on my J-Roberts Bearcat well enough to place at the NATS in sportsman.  Back to working on the SkyRay for carrier.  The MO-1 I built is going in the trash.  Later,  DOC Holliday
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Re: roberts bellcrank ?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 11:50:08 AM »
Bob, thanks for the reply. I understand. What is the problem with using Brodak with JR and vise-versa?
Thanks, T
I haven't had a three line plane since 1974, it was a ringmaster that I used just as a sport plane with a McCoy 40 RC.... What fun!

As others have noted there is a travel difference between the two handles.  I have found using non-matching items that the throttle line can go tight and take all the airplane load.  Not a good thing if it's at full throttle.  The JR system was designed so that all three lines always had load on them so it is important to keep bellcranks and handle brands matched up.
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