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Offline Jim Oliver

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Choices for Class II?
« on: October 28, 2011, 07:26:42 PM »
OK, it's down to the Robert's Mauler or the Boss Guardian.  Which is the better performer?

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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 01:19:11 PM »
I just couldn't contain  myself again.   Both designs are great.   Depends on how you set them up.    VD~
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2011, 01:36:47 PM »
Thanks for the input. Doc.

I was getting worried----thought I would have to make the decision with no help, even though my wife usually tells me what to do, except for these really important decisions. ::)

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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 05:00:57 PM »
Well, since I have a Mauler kit already, guess what my choice is.
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 05:25:18 PM »
Lee,
You're sorta "rubbing it in"........but that's OK, I would too, if I had a kit!

Since I gotta cut it myself, I might as well cut the better one...I think the Guardian might be easier, since the plans were actually intended to be used for that purpose.

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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 07:33:28 PM »
Jim, I built the Guardian and the plans work fine. I built it without the flaps and I believe that was a mistake. It took a very hard landing and I cracked the wing so it is now a hanger queen. It was Rossi RISE 60 10CC engine equiped and one of the nicest carrier planes I built.
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 09:02:12 PM »
Wayne, some time ago you had Boss Guardian plans for sale. Can I still get a set? Was the airplane ever featured in a magazine construction article? If so, when? I feel the need for speed.

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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 05:48:56 AM »
Bill, I have one you can have. Its got a small repaired edge but its ok. I came upon this original blue print  plan from my flying buddy Dave Heinzman. He didnt need it anymore. This is a copy of the original blueprint done by a blueprint house so there is no distortion like a copying machine. I contacted Bill Boss and received this e-mail in return and that explains a lot. The Sea Fury got published in May 76 but the Guardian didnt. Its interesting that Bill Boss didnt think that the Sea Fury was a very good flying airplane. The print is folded so let me know where to send it.
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2011, 07:10:18 AM »
Wayne,
The Boss Guardian plans that I have are a set that you sent to me. Not sure I can even fly a 60 size Carrier model, but I'm gonna find out.........

I'm presently building the Brodak Guardian with shortened, thick wing; will probably use a TT36.  I'm planning on ground adjustable leadouts and maybe a kick-out rudder and your suggested mod to the horizontal stab/elevator.

Our little group talked about Carrier flying at our Sat. get together---way too windy to fly---we are working to get all the stuff together to build a deck for our contest next year.  Hope we can keep the plan moving forward.

Jim
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2011, 01:06:23 PM »
OK, it's down to the Robert's Mauler or the Boss Guardian.  Which is the better performer?

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Jim

Jim,

With the same power the Guardian will out score the Mauler. The Mauler is a wonderful model but it carries too much wing in comparison to the Guardian. Top speed rules the day. The Mauler might be able to be slowed down a bit more than the Guardian but that won't help the score enough. The Guardians I flew "in the day" were stable, predictable models. And, as you pointed out, they were designed for the job. Actually, the guys at Grumman could not have done a better job making an airplane just for us.

There are three good Class II Guardians available. The Boss design, Sterling kit and one by Bill Johnson. The Johnson design is available from AMA Plans Service. There are others but these are the best.
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2011, 01:45:34 PM »
Bill, in the mail tomorrow.
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 01:52:02 PM »
Jim, I just this year built and flew a Sterling 36" clone for Class 1. I used a front intake gray case Torp 40 with an OS 4BK carb. BTW there were two K&B 40's one with a larger intake that will take a tiny shim for the 4BK. The other is smaller and used a Perry carb. Flew nicely so a nice light friendly plan bearing RC 60 might do the job. Thinking like maybe an OS FP 60 R/C or a K&B 60 sportster.
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 02:13:38 PM »
For the big Guardian, I have what I consider to be good engine options; a Rossi .65 side exhaust, an OPS Goldhead 60 side exhaust, a Rossi 65 RIRE and an OPS Goldhead FIRE. 

Any opinions or experience as to which would be best?

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Jim
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2011, 06:27:40 PM »
Jim, I dont have any experience with any of those. I would just bench test all of them. Use a 10/8 and see what they will turn up and also idle. Weigh them in. The Rossi RIRE might be my last choice as that is a high performance motor that is heavy. Also see if there are any performance numbers or tests. You need something that will accelarate and unwind quickly.
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Re: Choices for Class II?
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 08:35:51 PM »
The side exhaust Rossi 65 turns an APC 10x8 at 14,000 on PM 10/22, open face, and idles about 2,600 in that configuration.  I don't have numbers for the others, yet.

The Rossi and the OPS engines are all sorta heavy, in the 20 oz. range w/out muffler; I guess some weight could be filed or ground off.

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