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nelson carb?
« on: June 13, 2011, 02:46:38 PM »
Those that are running a nelson for profile what size throat bore are you using?
Thanks
David

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Re: nelson carb?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 04:01:21 PM »
     Hi David, the first question we need to know is are you referring to the Nelson Combat engine or the heavy case engine that looks a lot like the Nelson engine used in RC pylon racing?
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Re: nelson carb?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2011, 04:12:46 PM »
I have a q-500  engine that has been converted to a 36 for profile.

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Re: nelson carb?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2011, 05:24:10 PM »
     You couldn't have picked a better engine, congratulations. The carburetor that many people use and swear by is the OS 4D which has a throat ID diameter of .320". The carburetor that I have been using is the Perry 1601 which has a ID of .312. The original carburetor that Henry used was a "Super Tiger" that had a ID of .356. Both the ST and the OS have a large spray bar that goes through the neck while the Perry just has a short nozzle that protrudes into the neck about 5/32". I always try to talk people into the Perry but most of them will try one and then go back to the OS. I think they go back to the OS because their more use to them. I'm using the Perry and I don't think anyone is going faster than me at this "moment". Perry will put an adapter on the 1601 that will fill out the ID of the heavy case Nelson.
     Another thing that makes this engine go fast is Henry's Quarter wave muffler. Equipped with the 1/4 wave muffler you can run 10% nitro (rules require 10%) and the engine will turn 1.5k to 2k faster than the same engine open faced. This Nelson do not like high nitro unlike the Nelson Combat engines.  Eric
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2011, 06:25:26 PM »
Thanks for the info.  Now I know you run nelsons in the other classes do you run the same size carb in the 40 also?  I was planning on using a 40 on pressure for class 1.  When I got the nelson that I had converted I came across another deal for two others so I bought them too.  I also ordered a carb for the DC 65  and hope to have that in a corsair at the Nats.

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 08:55:28 PM »
      I had to get the CL-1 down and take a look at it to see what I was running on it. Turns out it has one of those ST carbs on it. I'm not real fond of that plane and the engine is one I got when I bought one of Bill Melton planes after he passed away. It is a good engine but doesn't have a reverse crank which I like. I gave a couple of planes away to encourage myself to build a couple new ones that I thought would be real killers and now the fellow I gave them to beats me every time we fly against each other. He has some new Nelson long strokes in his and not only is he faster (sometimes) he beats my low speed times always which goes to show it take practice, practice, and more practise to be good in these events.
      Getting back to that ST carb, had gotten two huge carbs from Henry and put them on my CL-1 and 2 under pressure and they were both great except I had some trouble with the CL-1 and started changing things around in no certain order and nothing seemed to be working so went back to the ST with no pressure just before a contest and have never changed it back. You might want to give Henry a call about the BIG carb as it is a real killer. Remember that there are old Nelsons and NEWER Nelsons and where the carb mounts is where they are different. So he will have to know which ones you have. The difference with the carb is that the new case is deeper where the carb mounts so he machines them differently.  Eric
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2011, 09:49:21 PM »
You are very right on the practice part last year I was just over a 5 min low because I was going out and flying about once a week and now I'm lucky if I can get anywhere near the 4 min mark.  I have also had some problems with keeping airplanes together.  But my new spearfish should be pretty competitive especially now that I got my engine back from Henry today.

I know some of the pylon guys out here so I hope to have a couple of the long strokes next year to play with. I forget the guys name but someone bought all of the parts and castings for Henrys long stroke and they are going to start making them again.

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Re: nelson carb?
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2011, 10:37:11 PM »
One other question is about tank capacity.  With that nelson and I would like to assume that I can do a 5 min low speed what do you think I should plan for.

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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2011, 12:20:03 PM »
     I, like you always am thinking about that 5 min LS and so far I think I made it up to around 4.5 min but its been rare so far. But we do want to be ready don't we. I have a tank on my profile F2G-1 that holds a little over 5oz (maybe 5.25) and so far I usually have to take out 1.5 to 2oz after the last flight and sometimes more depending on I guess altitude, temperature, and how wet the engine is running. I do try to set up to run just a hair wet (rich) on all my carrier flights, but only a hair as I have found the Nelson (my Nelsons) tend to load up if I throttle back and keep it there to long like when I'm transitioning from HS to LS. Once it in the LS hang I'm at around 70% power so don't worry about it loading up then. Be sure you are running the big hole plug (the hole the element is in is larger than the regular plug) as they allow much more leeway in the low RPM parts of the event.
     With the CL-1&2 planes I run or am planning to run on pressure so those tanks hold an ounce more than the profile tank. Understand that I run a Nelson 40 in CL-1 and a Nelson 45 in CL-2 so they are very close to using the same amount of fuel. I'm afraid I haven't done all that well in the LS section of those two events but I'm ready if they should ever come around. I think Pete Mazur's CL-2 plane has a 10+oz tank and uses just about all of it (.65 engine) when he puts in a good flight which is just about all the time. There are times when I just don't fill the tanks all the way up, like when my syringe only holds 5oz and I'm in a hurry or just plain lazy. Hope this helps, Eric.
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Re: nelson carb?
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 04:38:02 PM »
Thanks again. I checked everything and there is room for up to a 6 oz tank. The plane should be ready for the final assembly after this weekend so I will get some pics up of it. And my carb should be here the first of next week. So I'm hoping to get some test runs and flights later next week.

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Re: nelson carb?
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2011, 08:39:02 PM »
     Sounds good to me. My advice or what I do is go easy, don't rush ANYTHING, make conservative changes, and practise, practice, practise. The more you play with your plane (flying it) while feeling it out the more sure of that plane you will be and after while you will know it like the back of your hand. I've never lost a plane in spite of several of them being a little twitchy, the only way I can get rid of them is hand them down. Then I get to watch them come back to place higher than me, its all fun.  Eric
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