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Author Topic: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak  (Read 1014 times)

Offline Paul Smith

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Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« on: April 17, 2023, 10:22:36 AM »
I will be directing these events at the 2023 Brodak Fly In on Wednesday and Thursday.  Also maybe later on Tuesday after the regular events are done.

I have dug up the most recent published rules I could find and submitted them to Carmichaels for inclusion on the Fly In web site.

Does anybody know if the NCS web site is up at this time?

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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2023, 10:28:37 AM »
Just a quick & dirty about these events:

NWS (Northwest Skyraiders) carrier is local event that is reported on the NCS annual standings.  The flight scoring is the same as all modern events.  Any profile plane is acceptable with on the throttle, elevator and hook moving.  It was a ONE-engine event using the OS FP40.  Since the phaseout of production of the FP, Tower 40's and LA 40's are accepted.

Sig Skyray Carrier uses the named airplane with any engine through 40-size and has a 75 MPH cap only high speed and the high speed factor of low speed.  It is also included in the NCS annual report.
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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2023, 10:58:15 AM »
Looks like you could fly one plane a Skyray in both events, if you were so inclined.  A Ringmaster makes a pretty good Northwest Sport Carrier plane (which is I think what you meant).  At least, if you're there to have fun rather than expecting to win.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2023, 05:11:54 PM by Tim Wescott »
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The problem with electric is that once you get the smoke generator and sound system installed, the plane is too heavy.

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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2023, 04:14:43 PM »
A Sig Skyray airplane with an OS FP or LA or Magnum 40 would be legal in BOTH events.

Winning scores in NWS carrier are in the 200 point range. 
Sig Skyrays can do 250 points due to the more generous engine rules.

The use of a short list of approved STOCK engines in NWS 40 effectively bans the left-handed rotation that allows a tiny number of people to dominate all other carrier events.

A Sig Skyray built with a OS or Magnum 36, would be legal in BOTH of these events, PLUS Sportsman Profile Carrier.



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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2023, 10:14:00 AM »
To whom it may concern, following is copied direct from the current Northwest Sport 40 Carrier rules:

3. ENGINES: Stock O.S. .40FP with stock muffler as supplied with the engine or Tower .40 with stock muffler as supplied with the engine, or O.S. .35FP with muffler as supplied with the engine are the only engines allowed. Muffler pressure is allowed. Engines must use carburetor that was manufactured with the engine, or an exact copy thereof. There are no fuel restrictions.

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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2023, 11:00:33 AM »
When do you think the OS FP40 went out of production?
When do you think the OS LA40 went out of production?

I don't know for sure. 

I would guess that the last FP was made at least 30 years ago and maybe 10 years ago for the LA.  Personally, I have a well supply of FP 35's and 40's.  But at the Brodak Fly In I will permit the LA 40 in the interest of participation.  If anybody does use the LA 40, I will note that fact in the report to NCS.  They are free to reject the score from the annual standings.  Having used both engines, as well as the FP & LA 15's and 25's, I am convinced that the FP was a better series.  For an event to survive it needs to consider the equipment available to potential contestants.
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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2023, 06:33:57 PM »
Hi Paul,

  I only posted the rules only to point out exactly what we are doing here.  Other regions are of course welcome to do whatever they want and what works out best for them, so we are in agreement on that.  Mainly just wanted to put out the word that we had not changed our engine rule. (for our local use).  Hope you get a good turnout for NWS 40 Carrier, it is a good event and plenty of fun.

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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2023, 07:46:47 PM »
The Navy Carrier Society does not have a functioning web site.

We are looking at our options.
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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2023, 07:04:33 AM »
The Navy Carrier Society does not have a functioning web site.

We are looking at our options.

Thank you.  I was hunting for the latest official rules.  What I was able to find will suffice.  Sig doesn't seem to be up either.  But a Skyray 35 with a 40 is close enough. And, of course, 75 MPH lid on the speed.
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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2023, 08:06:36 AM »
The original Sig rules did specify a .40 as max. Currently at the NATS they fly Skyray ( hold on to your hat Paul) electric and glow combined as I recall.

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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2023, 10:48:10 AM »
The Skyray rules from Sig and as published by NCS include both electric and glow options. There is no “electric Skyray” event or “gas Skyray” event, just  “Skyray.”
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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2023, 07:00:41 AM »
The Skyray rules from Sig and as published by NCS include both electric and glow options. There is no “electric Skyray” event or “gas Skyray” event, just  “Skyray.”
Pete

The current issue seems to be that BOTH Sig and NCS are off line at the moment.  I have been able to find a copy of the Sig rules here in Stunthanger.  The NWS 40 rules are in hand.
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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2023, 08:15:06 AM »
Attached are the rules Pete mentioned

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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2023, 08:40:40 AM »
I am also posting the Northwest 40 Rules

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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2023, 01:23:04 PM »
Attached are the rules Pete mentioned

What is the origin of that document? 
I was hoping to find what Sig Manufacturing published. 
Perhaps in a flyer for their Fly In. 
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Re: Sig Skyray Carrier and NWS 40 Carrier at The Brodak
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2023, 08:51:13 AM »
Skyray source is Mike Gretz, the date was 2004 I believe, Pete may have the original SIG Mfg rules.

NW40 was from on their site
http://www.flyinglines.org/rules.nwsport40.carrier.html

PS every time I have ever flown Skyray, basically on the east coast or the NATS these are the rules that were used. I converted to electric about 8 years ago(?). anyway before 2.4 was legal and I used control through the lines.


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