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Offline Darrel

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Prop hanging CG?
« on: September 10, 2011, 09:37:03 PM »
Just completed new FP 40 carrier plane of own design.  Going to give carrier a try again after few years away.  Anyway, I know there are tons of variables, but is there a good place to start for CG location for prop hanging?  Right now, I am at a reasonably safe 22 - 23 percent.
Thanks now for any suggestions.

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Re: Prop hanging CG?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2011, 08:33:08 AM »
I have been told that you start moving the CG back until the plane becomes unstable during High Speed.   Me I am from the school of carrier and fly what looks realistic to me.   Maybe Billy B. will chime in on this.   I know I can get a Bi-Slob to hang.   Really I just need to get out and fly more often.   H^^
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Re: Prop hanging CG?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2011, 10:17:07 AM »
Darrel, Great to see that your gettin g back into the Carrier scene here in the NW!  I have missed you.  The Sport .40 event is really fun! I haven't been able to get to more than the April event in Portland and after getting back from the Brodak contest in June my wife has been ill and I took a really bad fall while Trout finshing that has still giving me some grief.  Count on me for 2012, and I hope you get good advice here on "hanging". I must admit however that I agree with Doc.
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Re: Prop hanging CG?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2011, 11:53:05 AM »
Doc, you called it! Here's my $.02.

If you're not sure how to get into a hang, try this. As the airplane passes directly downwind (wind at your back), chop the throttle and crank in a bunch of UP to try to hold altitude. If you can get the nose up about 30 degrees or more without climbing, add a bit of power to help maintain altitude. Directly downwind is the best place to try this because this is where the airplane will naturally want to sink, and also the wind will help keep the airplane out on the end of the lines. If you can get the nose up for a but but not sustain it, add more tail weight. You can wrap solder around the tail skid or the aft fuselage as you experiment, then install permanent weight once you are satisfied.

The things that indicate too much tail weight are the inability to maintain stable high speed, or the airplane wanting to go excessively nose up or over backwards in the hang. If the high speed is unstable but you still can't maintain a good hang, you may need to reduce your elevator movement, or adjust a bit of down into the elevator. If the airplane seems like it will hang but won't stay out on the lines, you need to add tip weight, engine offset, or move the line guide back if you don't have a slider. It's a balancing act (literally!), but once you get it, it's almost automatic.

Good luck, and keep asking questions.

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Re: Prop hanging CG?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2011, 01:29:49 PM »
     Darrel, if you live in the NW area you might be able to find someone that is going to or is already flying sport 40 and hook up with them and start with that event. I watched them fly that event at the NWR in Eugene and it looked like everyone had fun whether they were pilots or bystanders.
     Bill gave you some excellent information on getting started with the hang but might have missed one little thing. Being we live on the left coast there are many days or at least mornings that there is "NO" wind where we fly unlike where Bill flies in Dalles Texas so you should try to practice the hang on one of those no wind days. I know when I first started to learn the hang, after separating the wing from the fuselage of my MO-1 one of the guys said "why don't you come out earlier in the day to practice" and he was so right. You get to try the hang all the way around the circle which helps a lot at first.
     Sorry Bill, but I think we on the west coast loose more planes from prop wash than from the wind which is our down fall when we go to the mid west and try to compete with your guys.   Eric
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Re: Prop hanging CG?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2011, 05:54:55 AM »
Thanks to both Bill and Eric for the info this old man keeps forgetting. H^^
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Re: Prop hanging CG?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2011, 11:37:21 AM »
Thanks to both Bill and Eric for the info this old man keeps forgetting. H^^

And those of us that are still learning  y1

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Re: Prop hanging CG?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2011, 09:34:04 PM »
Thanks for the great advice.  The plan is to put me and my airplane to the test this weekend at the Skyraiders contest in Auburn WA
Thanks
Darrel

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Re: Prop hanging CG?
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2011, 12:59:51 PM »
Darrel, GOD LUCK with you Sport .40 ship.  Wish I coluld be there.
Joe


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